This comment from a US Marine, does not go along with what we saw on national liberal TV… S.
I Received this from someone who was in Afghanistan when Obama blew in. I've taken out all the forwards
Hi all FYI--for what freedom is worth.
T and J P are our friends who live in Virginia.
(Below is from T)
I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize if anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share.
This is J's first hand view of Senator Obama.
T
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along
that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his
visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights)
so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the
opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT J P
American Soldier
American by birth
MARINE
by the grace of God
Semper Fi
This struck me because it is a first hand, behind the scenes, account of what we don't see from the media. Honesty.
God Bless All Of Our Troops!
92 comments:
This email has already been thoroughly discredited and, in fact, the auhor has asked that it be taken down if posted on aany blogs stateside.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/07/obamabashing-gi-retracts-claim.html
WAKE UP!
Oh, so it is true, thanks for verifying that. And why does the New York Daily News still have the exact same email up then?? Shouldn't they be taking it down? Maybe they should WAKE UP!
Discredited? You just supplied the credit, it is a true email. Guess free speech is a bad thing if you don't agree with Obamamania.
If the e-mail is fake, how can it have an author. Having watched a lot of the trip, I believe the G.I.
Obama has sent out notices to the media about what they can and can't say about him. Can't talk about his ears, his wife, his middle name, and most of all, don't talk about his flipflops.
If possible, Michelle as first lady is scarrier than O as POTUS.
There will be a lot of the social elites who will be sent to the basement. A lot of democrats will get a big shock as they will also be sent to the basement.
How about Hillory as vp for McCain. Wouldn't that cause a buzz, at least the media would have to cover McCain.
It's not a fake e-mail, it's factually inaccurate. The guy said: "After checking my sources, information that was put out in my email was wrong." No doubt he doesn't like Obama, which is fine; he's entitled to his opinion (even if themilitary told him to keep it to himself). But he's not entitled to his own facts. Nor are you.
Diogenes: But he's not entitled to his own facts. Nor are you.
He's not entitled to his own facts? He was there, he is entitled to state what he saw and thought. So am I.
I receive this email from my American friend, it sounds real, and I blog it, you post a link that verifies that the email was correct, and now we are not entitled to post it? Get real.
If this is going to hurt the person who wrote it because he is in the military, I will remove it, I do not want him hurt in anyway, that's why I removed all reference to his name in my blog, if I had posted his name, then I would see your point.
Why hasn't the NY Daily News removed the exact same email I blogged? Are they entitled to their own made up facts?
You verified the email is real, from someone who was there, the only reason they are backing down is that people in the military are supposed to be non-political. It was a private email but now the gate is open.
Well, too late, the horse has left the barn, and by trying to suppress the email, it's only getting wider publication.
No, he is NOT entitled to his own facts. He Wasn't really there, at least not close enough to see what was going on. He guessed as to what was happening, and he guessed wrong. Even HE recognizes that he was wrong. And the NY Daily News HAS taken the e-mail down.
The email is FACTUALLY INCORRECT.
It's NOT TRUE.
Does any of that ring home with you?
I'm sorry, I apologize. I forgot that anti-Obama folks don't let a little thing like truth stand in the way of a goood smear campaign.
But you look kinda stupid posting false information that was shown to be false days ago. Maybe you need to climb back under that rock, into the dark for awhile longer.
Kevron that is totally disgusting, wishing bad on any soldier whether he wrote that post for only his family or not, shows your immaturity. Your post is gone!
If you never come back to my site, I will be a happy person! Jerk!!!!
Diogenes, you are putting your own spin on the email, believe what you want, but it will keep going, as a matter of fact, trying to make the email into something it isn't will just make more people post it. It will go underground, and fester.
Yeah, it belongs underground. So spread your little lies; that's what Karl Rove trained Republicans to do, right? Destroy the opponent,with truth, with lies, with whatever you have handy. Winning is the only thing that matters.
You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. But pulling dirtytricks makes you feel kinda cool, doesn't it?
"But pulling dirtytricks makes you feel kinda cool, doesn't it?"<
they lie to themselves, each other and everyone else. it's a conservative thing....
KEvron
You two can't help yourselves, well I'm tired of jerks messing up my blog, so bye, go over to rabble, they probably love you there! I don't.
I was going to delete those responses, but I kept some so everyone can see how lefties operate, intimidate your opponent, name call and lie. Well sorry boys, that dog don't hunt, go bow to the altar of Obama. I won't.
I thought something stank, then I saw that Canadian Cynic had linked to my post, thanks, but keep your sewage on your own side. If you are not smart enough to post your own opinions, and have to link to Conservative sites, you are a small person with no ideas, kind of like the Liberals, all talk no action.
Now, go play in your own garbage infested world, I prefer a clean lefty free zone. You post, I delete, it's easy!
Hunter:
Against my better judgment, I'm actually going to try to engage you on the content of this post, and we'll see whether you're capable of reasoned discourse.
You claim explicitly that the original letter writer was a firsthand witness, using phrases like "This struck me because it is a first hand, behind the scenes, account of what we don't see from the media" and "He was there, he is entitled to state what he saw and thought."
And yet, in that writer's published retraction, he writes (emphasis added):
"“I am writing this to ask that you delete my email and not forward it. After checking my sources, information that was put out in my email was wrong."
Note well the reference to the writer "checking his sources." No one who claims direct, firsthand knowledge of an event would ever refer to having to check his "sources" for verification of what happened. Only people who were getting their information secondhand would ever make such a statement.
Therefore, your claim that this is a direct eyewitness account is clearly wrong, based on a clear admission by the original letter writer himself. Under the circumstances, then, why do you keep pushing the claim of firsthand observation, given that it's quite obviously incorrect.
I await your reasoned and considered response.
CC
By the way, Hunter, in case you need some guidance in how to write a sincere apology and retraction, you might use well-known, right-wing blog "Blackfive" as an example:
"Yes, for the thousandth time, we have established that Senator Obama did not play basketball at Bagram airfield or visit a specific tent.
I apologize, sincerely and contritely, for posting an email from a soldier in Afghanistan suggesting that Senator Obama played basketball."
See how that works, Hunter? You screw up, you get caught, you apologize profusely to your readership. That's how things work in the world of serious blogging.
I'm just sayin'.
"Apologize? For what? Making a mistake? And then compounding it by emphasizing that I was right all along? Even when I wasn't?"
Thanks to my American friend, who keeps me updated on what real Americans are thinking.
You need better friends.
"Yeah, it belongs underground. So spread your little lies; that's what Karl Rove trained Republicans to do, right? Destroy the opponent,with truth, with lies, with whatever you have handy. Winning is the only thing that matters."
Um - yeah that's the pot calling the kettle black, Digi!!!
Psuedo scandal after pseudo scandal after pseudo scandal - destroy them with lies! Winning is the ONLY think that matters, RIGHT!!!
Get real and grow up.
The press is being ridiculous is them adoration of Obama - typical of a left wing media - it the candidate can't win on their own; fawn and bow down before him and make him sound like the second coming of Christ (opps - you probably don't like him being compared to anything religous).
The American media is no different than the Canadian media in their quest to set the world right by getting left wing governments into power again.
You just can't handle the Truth!
Psuedo scandal after pseudo scandal after pseudo scandal - destroy them with lies! Winning is the ONLY think that matters, RIGHT!!!
Nice deflection, harridan, but you're wasting your time (although, I suppose screaming at other people is what you consider 'quality time').
Your gal here is caught dead to rights and only a retraction/correction will set things straight.
Um Ti Guy, sweetie - you TOTALLY missed my point. But then again, that's pretty typical given your comments. Sigh.
Um ... still waiting for a calm and reasoned discussion of the specific topic at hand, based on the actual evidence that's been presented.
Or should I simply assume that's not going to happen?
Okay CC, here is my response. I did not get a copy of this email from the media, I got it from a friend. I could have published the name of the Marine who sent it, I didn't. So this is an email from someone in the military, with an opinion of what went on during Obama's visit. Unfortunately, military people are not allowed to have opinions.
I have already stated that I will remove it if it will harm him or his career, that was not my intent in posting it.
What I find curious is why you lefties are making such a big stink about it. You are making it a bigger issue by whining for me to take it down, then if you had just ignored it.
So, I apologize to anyone who is offended by this email, you can check out the link provided by diogenes to see why there is a problem.
I assumed it was first hand by the way it was written, if it wasn't first hand, I apologize for assuming it was. So, read both sides, and decide for yourselves.
That's a good start, Hunter. Now let me explain your various errors and unacceptably weaselly behaviour.
"I did not get a copy of this email from the media, I got it from a friend."
Where you got the email is not relevant, it has no bearing on this discussion.
"I could have published the name of the Marine who sent it, I didn't. So this is an email from someone in the military, with an opinion of what went on during Obama's visit."
And, as we have already determined, his opinion was uninformed and inaccurate, and he has openly admitted as much.
"Unfortunately, military people are not allowed to have opinions."
There is nothing "unfortunate" about that -- as a serving member of the U.S. Armed Forces, that author is not allowed to voice overtly political opinions. Those are the rules. As Conservative "law and order" types, I'm baffled as to why you see his inability to break those unambiguous rules as "unfortunate" but, then again, consistency has never been your strong point, has it, Hunter?
"I have already stated that I will remove it if it will harm him or his career, that was not my intent in posting it."
You should not remove the posting because it might harm anyone's career. You should publicly retract the posting because it is now obvious that it is hideously inaccurate and dishonest. Can you appreciate the difference?
"What I find curious is why you lefties are making such a big stink about it. You are making it a bigger issue by whining for me to take it down, then if you had just ignored it."
Ah, so let me see if I understand this. You righties are allowed to post dishonest slander, but if we lefties call you on it, then we're making a "big stink about it." In other words, you would like complete immunity from publishing dishonest rubbish. Do I have that about right?
(And, once again, no one is asking for you to remove the post. We're asking for a public correction and retraction. There's a difference.)
"So, read both sides, and decide for yourselves."
You still don't get it, do you, Hunter? There are no "both sides" to this issue anymore. The original letter writer has admitted, openly and in print, that he was not a firsthand witness and that what he wrote was incorrect. How exactly are there still two sides to this issue?
You published something, it was almost immediately exposed as partisan, dishonest nonsense, and now you're trying as hard as possible to blow it off as no big deal.
Retraction, Hunter. You owe people a public and unconditional retraction. That's what people with principles do. Give it a shot. Who knows ... you might enjoy it.
By the way, Hunter, I am immensely amused by your suggestion that we're suddenly taking this all too seriously, and that it's no big deal. Who could have predicted that kind of reaction?
Who, indeed?
You folks really are depressingly predictable, Hunter. Did you know that?
Smackdown. I think we're done here.
Is it just me or is Hunter's silence now that she's been so blatantly proven wrong absolutely deafening?
So much for the vaunted acountability of the so-called Right.
Hi Hunter,
Interesting flap. Have you seen this blog post? It makes some good points. For instance, in spite of all the CYA back-peddling:
... LTC Nielson-Green's refutation of these two rather minor specific points does not at all address the most important allegation made in the viral email, the author's perception that soldiers on base were "blown off" by the junior Senator.
In fact, the PAO admits that Obama only met with selected soldiers. Only service-persons from Illinois were invited to meet him, and soldiers not from Illinois (the author of the email is from Utah) were indeed not met by the junior Senator. Though no doubt a touchy situation for the military, the key premise holds.
Since the issue went “viral” on the net it’ll be next to impossible to get to the bottom of the controversy. The lefties will continue to be outraged by the perceived heresy - even the nutty Canuck Obama hyper-zealots here.
The lefties will continue to be outraged by the perceived heresy - even the nutty Canuck Obama hyper-zealots here.
What outrage? What perceived heresy?
This is just business as usual...correcting conservative disinformation.
I'm saddened by the fact that our Canadian conservatives have become as gullible and propagandist as the loonies down South.
It's infectious.
By the way, don't kill any more liberals today. It's so...immoral.
Okay, CC, it's a hoax. You win. I post an email, that I took on faith, and you proved it was a fake. Mea Culpa.
Problem is, if a Canadian blogger got this email, how many Americans have also received it, and believed it like I did. How many of them do not read my blog or any other blogs?
This isn't going to just die because Snoops proved it was fake. As I have stated, this just gets more people reading it. You linking to my post got all your readers, who would never normally come to my site, over here reading it, they wouldn't have if you wouldn't have linked to my post. So you are helping keep this alive. HA!
Lulu, honey, some of us Conservative women work for a living, we are not all at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
Thanks for that link JR. Interesting flap? Yup, every time some lefty links to my site, the creepy characters come slithering by. Like my first commenter:
Interesting comments found in that link, seems diogenes gets around,
Are you still trying diogenes?
After a KKK reference?
C'mon. Repent. The offer's still on the table.
Posted by: brando at July 25, 2008 12:55 PM
Not sure what that's all about, but it seems in line with the "he's not entitled to his facts, neither are you" comment made by diogenes on this post.
Hey, Ti-guy, I love liberals, they are cute when they get all sanctimonious to cover their own lack of morals. Green Shift lawsuit?
Now which one of you little critters is my favorite cyber stalker anonHAHA??
To Diogenes: I read the article you referenced, and I disagree that the e-mail has been "thoroughly discredited." Here is the quote from the article you reference:
“I am writing this to ask that you delete my email and not forward it. After checking my sources, information that was put out in my email was wrong. This email was meant only for my family. Please respect my wishes and delete the email and if there are any blogs you have my email portrayed on I would ask if you would take it down too. Thanks for your understanding.”
Such words do not reflect a retraction of what was true, but that he is concerned about the controversy and the effect it may have upon his family.
It is my recollection that I heard a news report on Sunday morning stating that Senator Obama was happy to report that he had hit something like 8 out of 10 or 12 jump shots. I assume this occurred in his posh hotel's gymnasium (no cameras allowed -- the John Edwards story comes to mind, but that is another issue/topic).
My suggestion is that Senator Obama simply put the issue to rest. Did he shoot some hoops (and talk about it) whilst in Germany? And, more importantly, is the author of the e-mail's recollection accurate?
I hope someone asks the Senator these questions.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, AND LET US PRAY THAT THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN HAVE NOT FALLEN IN VAIN.
Lulu, honey, some of us Conservative women work for a living, we are not all at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
Tsk, tsk ... you really shouldn't be so hard on "Conservative women", Hunter. I'm sure they do the best they can with what they've got.
"Such words do not reflect a retraction of what was true"
"After checking my sources, information that was put out in my email was wrong."
once again:
"information that was put out in my email was wrong."
and in case you missed it:
"my email was wrong."
which words do you not undersatnd?
KEvron
i love the craptain's use of the subjunctive: "information that was put out in my email". the scumbag liar can't bring himself to admit to his own authorship.
KEvron
Response: The problem is that the statement my "e-mail was wrong" is not very specific. What specifically was wrong? It was just secondhand? The author did not witness EVERYTHING?
The point remains, the issue could be put to rest if Senator Obama responded to the issues. His campaign has otherwise been so quick to respond. What is the delay.
Finally, it means nothing, but the sense I receive from the tone of the author's statement continues to be that the author did not somehow want to embroil his family in the controversy. I could be wrong there. Just the feeling I perceive.
BLESS OUR TROOPS.
"thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you."
ignoring the ridiculous redundancy of this passage (this guy's a captain?! boy, has our military lowered its standards), soldiers do not provide freedom; our creator does this. our constitution guarantees it, and our soldiers defend it.
KEvron
A further point is that the author wrote "This email was meant only for my family." The assumption by the skeptics must be that the author -- who apparently is in a war zone -- just routinely lies to his family. My assumption is that the author was communicating his/her honest sense, impression, and understanding of the events; in an honest way.
Again, there is one easy to resolve the issue. Senator, what are the facts?
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
"Just the feeling I perceive."
i get the feeling that, aside from being a liar (which i don't need to feel; he's admitted as much himself), he's a racist wingnut. just the feeling i perceive....
KEvron
"My assumption is that the author was communicating his/her honest sense, impression, and understanding of the events; in an honest way."
that would explain "my email was wrong"....
GOD FRAG THE SCUMBAGS
KEvron
KEvron: Back in the day, I was an atheistic socialist. Most all of my friends were as well, and most still are, so far as I can tell.
At the same time, I was able to think for myself. At the same time, the most bigoted, prejudiced, narrow-minded and angry remarks I ever heard came from people on the left.
I believe that your remarks fit into that category.
My assumption is that those socialist/atheistic types (including a younger me) would like think that they believe in the things that they do because they ultimately want to change the world in a positive way. My further assumption is that those with those beliefs support such notions and peace, and love. I know that did/do as well.
KEvron, there is not a lot of love in some of your postings.
GOD BLESS THE TROOPS, GOD BLESS KEVRON, and GOD BLESS US EVERYONE (apologies to C.Dickens).
" Back in the day, I was an atheistic socialist."
*yawn*
"I believe that your remarks fit into that category."
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
"KEvron, there is not a lot of love in some of your postings."
not much lying, either, which is more than i can say for some lying, racist scumbags i know.
GOD FRAG THE SCUMBAGS
KEvron
KEvron: You ever tell a lie?
btw:
i'm not an atheistic socialist; i'm a socialistic atheist. yes, there is a difference.
GOD FRAG THE SCUMBAGS
KEvron
KEvron: How often? Are you married? Significant other? Always tell the truth. Never hide your true motivations or emotions.
Ever been divorced? Ever broken up with another person? Would they say you always tell the truth?
Every member of your family would say that you always tell the truth?
Lulu, is that avatar you on a broomstick?
Listen little one, you couldn't handle being a Conservative woman, your much to...how do I say this nicely....lacking in spirit, spine, and strength. You follow your hero CC around hoping for a pat on the head. Like a puppy. Sad.
Now, I need to go get some peas, potatoes and carrots from my garden for supper. Yikes I work, raise a family and garden, thank goodness I'm to old to be pregnant, or all those lefty myths about Conservatives would be confirmed.
"How often?"
daily, whether i need to or not.
"Are you married? Significant other?"
keep it in your pants, lonely hearts.
"Always tell the truth."
and remember to floss.
"Never hide your true motivations or emotions."
unless you're sure you can get away with it.
"Ever been divorced?"
legally?
"Ever broken up with another person?"
i was breifly engaged to a woman with a wooden leg. i had to break it off.
"Would they say you always tell the truth?"
sure: "you always tell the truth."
"Every member of your family would say that you always tell the truth?"
as far as they know.
GOD FRAG THE LYING, RACIST SCUMBAGS
KEvron
er, "briefly".
GOD ETC, ETC
KEvron
KEvron: Always nice to meet someone without sin. Throw your stones, baby.
'Night
"Always nice to meet someone without sin."
my rap name is jesus christ.
"Throw your stones, baby."
or hand grenades?
MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
KEvron
How did one email get all the lefties so worked up. Look you lefties, go back to your own blogs, quit stinking mine up. Oh, your blogs don't get any traffic? Maybe it's because no one can stand your hypocritical, arrogant, know it all attitudes.
Oops Hunter. This is your blog? I was looking through google about Senator Obama and basketball and ended up here. I hope I did not pass too much gas, or add to it on your blog.
I am still outta here.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, GOD BLESS HUNTER, GOD BLESS KEVRON, and GOD BLESS ALL IN THE UNIVERSE!
AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!
"How did one email get all the lefties so worked up."
more importantly, hunter: how did one black candidate get a racist scumbag of a craptain so worked up that he'd lie to his own family?
"Maybe it's because no one can stand your hypocritical, arrogant, know it all attitudes."
aka, "the truth".
KEvron
"I am still outta here."
seems like, when you're not apologizing for liars, you lie, yourself....
GOD BLESS MOMMY AND DADDY AND FRENCH TOAST AND MR BIGGLESWORTH
KEvron
Hunter, congratulations for keeping your kool, and to your regular readers for keeping theirs. I don't think many of us would object if you banned the CC crowd. Must be a slow day for them.
At least they have kept their language clean and that could explain their problem. They have to use english instead of profanity and it is a strange medium for them to try to make a leftist point.
yeah, hunter, well done on keeping your cool and not insulting anyone or calling them any names....
GOD BLESS JERKS
KEvron
"They have to use english instead of profanity and it is a strange medium for them to try to make a leftist point."
The truth is now "leftist"?
Delete Kevron. He's a low-intellect spammer on leftist blogs who can't summarize his vacuous thoughts into one post, so he pollutes a blog with dozens of nonsensical ramblings that are all signed by his name: Kevron. As though it needed repeating.
Thanks MaryT, going to have to do some spring cleaning and get all the rodents out of my house.
And, yes kevron, you are a jerk, that's simple enough language that you should be able to understand it. 300 million Americans to bug, and you have to come here to get attention? Scoot on back home, you and diogenes are giving Americans a bad names.
To CC, why don't you link to my Kermit the frog/Dion video? What? It makes fun of your leader? HA.
What I find fascinating is the number of government workers who read CC. Interesting, and something I will track next time CC sends his readers here.
btw, i don't think many of us would mind if you banned maryt. raphael, too (way to keep your cool there, ralphie. lol!)
GOD BLESS THE FRAGMENTATION GRENADE
KEvron
"kevron, you are a jerk"
that's not very civil of your, hunter, especially in light of the fact that i have not once insulted you in our little discussion, nor dragynmark (whose real name is mark nygaard, a lawyer who specializes in divorce for dads. i know: why not represent women too? only his shrink knows the answer to that), nor raphael, nor maryt. not once, any of you.
you're giving canadian conservatives a bad name. lol!
GOD BLESS CIVILITY
KEvron
""intimidate your opponent""
"something I will track next time CC sends his readers here."
GOD BLESS LOL!
KEvron
"signed by his name: Kevron."
liar.
GOD BLESS DUAL MAJUSCULES
KEvron
Quit the drugs kevron, you'll feel better. I'm sure that being lonely is hard at times, but spending your whole life posting on blogs is just not healthy.
that's not very civil of you, hunter.
KEvron
I think I rest my case Kevron, you intellectually enfeebled dwarf.
that's not very civil of you, ralphie, but thanks anyway for your profound contribution to the discusion at hand.
GOD BLESS KEEPING YOUR COOL
KEvron
[Lulu], your much to...how do I say this nicely....
Literate? Were you going to say literate? You should've said literate.
"it's easy!"
right back atchya.
KEvron
Boy, a regular Algonquin Round Table here I see.
"Boy, a regular Algonquin Round Table here I see."
screw you, pal!
KEvron
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