Atlas Shrugs gives a perfect picture of why we need to rise up.
This is the third honor killing post I have reported in the past 12 hours. And no one in the dinosaur media talks about it. All those loud mouthed full of shitniks talk big when excoriating and trashing those who fight for these women and recognize their plight, but they cower and wet their pants when forced to report on Islam. Instead they search for benign euphemisms for this most brutal and ugly ideology. The world in the West is changing for women. This war being waged in our society by Islam is about women, it's about power, it's about control.
I strongly suggest you go to the site, many examples of women who have been killed are listed. It's disgusting that we sit back as a nation and do nothing to protect those women because of political correctness.
The justifications for this crime, passed by word of mouth, apparently encourage young men and boys to consider it appropriate punishment for even trivial offences of females. Onal quotes a 14-year-old boy who slit his 16-year-old sister’s throat in the public market of the town of Urfa. Asked if he was remorseful, he explained that she had been “going about in cafés” and he had cleansed his dignity by killing her. Sentenced to 10 years, he served 34 months. (The use of brothers to commit the vile deed is a particularly horrible aspect of honour killings. In the Kingston murders, it is worth noting, one of those arrested was the alleged killers’ 18-year-old son.)
How can a brother kill a sister? My brother was always protective of me, as was my Dad. Can you imagine being scared of your own Dad? What a fearful life.
I am not a feminist. I never had the need to join a group for mutual support. I have never been a victim, thank goodness. I have never been raped, or attacked in anyway. I think feminists have had their time, but are now lost. If any organization should be yelling from the roof tops about honour killings, it's the feminists. But, they are silent. Too bad.
Feminists are too busy yapping about daycare and equal pay to be bothered with such things as honour killings, female gentile mutilation and burkas. Such a shame my "sisters" are just politically correct little Stepford wife's. Robots with no real compassion for the people who truly need their help.
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"I am not a feminist..."
Therein lies the problem ... You and I are not "feminists". We do not share many of their views. I thought the feminists of the '70's were weird, grumpy and funny (I liked men, my bra, my academic degrees, my kids, my good jobs and life). Later, the entrenched Status of Women types were soooo left-wingy, nanny-state and into multi-culturalism and day-care that I could barely listen to them. In fact, I do not even like the concept of "women's issues".
The reason the feminists have nothing to say NOW is that honour killings are just not something they ever thought could exist here! It does not fit with their whole "let's tolerate all equal cultures" thing! If men are mean and the systems discriminate and all cultures are wonderful and we can't discriminate, how to you reconcile the mess?
Ergo, their voices will be irrelevant. The law and the values of almost all Canadians, new and old, will be the voice. You and I are and most Canadians are outraged.
This is essentially a DOMESTIC dispute, a dysfunctional family (with overlays of personalities and adjustment to a new culture). Canadians are stupid to close their eyes to and pretend that polygamy, which unlawful, is benign. It is a very stressful family structure. Why on earth was the fake "cousin" admitted?? Policy/procedural shake-ups are needed, as well as new legislation. Jason Kenny and other Ministers are working very hard to clean up the LPC disaster. Canadians really want the CPC to do this!
In our history, there have always been and are now immigrant families who were and are more socially conservative/ traditional, with parents who demanded more conservative behaviour of children. They do not normally kill their daughters, however.
The Lib policies naively assumed that all people from all cultures are a good fit with Canada. Maybe we have to look at this carefully.
I would be inclined to shut the gates(with a few exceptions)until we can process and integrate the current immigrants. I hope this is the next big election issue.
"(I liked men, my bra, my academic degrees, my kids, my good jobs and life). "
Then you should thank a feminist, because without them you would not have the security (good job/equal pay)that you currently enjoy.
If you are really against polygamy, you may want to check out Bountiful, BC. This polygamist colony has existed since 1946. Yes, 1946! Oh, wait, they are white people. Not relevant.
And yes, before you start screeching, I do believe that the three arrested should be tried for first degree murder. I also believe that murderer of Dr. Tiller should also be tried for first degree murder (not man slaughter)
Hunter's last paragraph- should "female gentile mutilation" read "genital", not gentile, or is this some sort of play on words?
SQ, I'm not sure that you can qualify,
"Then you should thank a feminist, because without them you would not have the security (good job/equal pay)that you currently enjoy."
I believe that to be an unprovable statement and further, has that really occurred? Certainly it would be my opinion that the 'feminist movement' did not make that happen.
I think the point being made in all of this would be the classic and unapologetic male bashers, aka feminists are strangely silent whenever these types of crimes against women occur.
I would like to compliment 'L' on an outstanding post and SQ, your final paragraph minus the first 6 words, is bang on!
“Islam is a sick religion” … “we need to rise up” … “ It's disgusting that we sit back as a nation and do nothing to protect those women”.
I’m not sure where you are going with this. We already are waging war with the Taliban, seems to me we are doing something. As for Islam being a “sick religion” responsible for such atrocities as the honour killings you highlight, the people we are defending in Afghanistan likewise share the Islamic faith. Are you suggesting we convert them to Christianity to protect them from such possible abuses.
I have Muslim colleagues at work, they appear to be neither psychotic nor mentally deranged.
Are you advocating that the government of Canada put a stop to immigration, or severely curtail immigration, or deny immigration to Muslim applicants, to ward off such abuses. How will that protect such women? Such abuses and killings as you highlight will continue, merely beyond our borders. Or is your concern simply that such murders, motivated by cultural values at odds with our own, and which no particular group is claiming credit for, are occurring on Canadian soil.
I agree such incidents do indicate a rift or divide in values between this society and certain recent immigrants, and proper discretion should be exercised by immigration authorities when making selection of applicants, but I believe there is somewhat of a hue and cry and political sensationalism about a series of murders, most often the result of domestic issues, arising from within the Muslim community. But no community is exempt, there are examples of domestic disputes turning violent, of men or women murdering their spouses or families in news stories every other week.
I don’t see how this becomes an election platform unless you wish to argue a special case for crimes committed by those of Muslim heritage.
I would have to agree with dupmar. Islam, is not the only religion that treats women as subservient. Many Western and Christian religions, are far from perfect in that regard and they too should take stock.
I draw the line at calling this, domestic violence and I despise, 'honour killing'. If proven, this was most certainly a PLANNED event which leaves only one option, First Degree Murder.
I agree that based on the news account this was not a crime of passion or domestic violence that escalated into manslaughter, but rather pre-meditated murder. But such incidents occur as well within the community at large irrespective of religious beliefs.
I am confused. What, exactly, do you think the "feminists" should be doing? What are you doing that feminists are not doing?
Personally, I am happy that Canada is doing what it can to protect these women. We bring their families into our country, where societal and legal norms prohibit "honour killings" and the subjugation of women. While I am very sad that not all women are liberated by their move to Canada, I am happy about the fact that most of the women who come here have far more rights and protections than they have in their country of origin.
These people have been charged with killing their family. If convicted, they will get life in prison. Would that have occured if this murder had been committed in their country of origin?
I am a little disgusted by the way this tragedy is being used to attack feminists. Last I checked, the people charged with killing these girls are not feminists.
"Jason Kenny and other Ministers are working very hard to clean up the LPC disaster."
Yeah - those visa requirements for Mexicans are really protecting women from polygamy...
I assume your solution is not not allow people who practice polygamy to immigrate here? You would prefer to leave these women to live in societies that truly do consider them to be second class citizens, where they have few protections???
What, exactly, do you think the "feminists" should be doing?
Why agreeing with her unconditionally, of course. And apologising for having created "honour killings."
Seriously, you can ask that question of "Conservatives" 'til the cows come home but that's the only answer you'll ever get...and that's if they could ever manage to be truthful.
That's why most "Conservative" dialogue just ends up being endless repetitions of "Good post!" "Spot on!" "Kudos!"
Sooo predictable! Delete a post that shows you are wrong.
It's the Conservative thing to do!
why bother even commenting on Hunter's idiocy. she only posts it to provoke. i daresay she wouldn't tell a muslim person to their face that she thought their religion was evil. she's cowardly, illiterate and ignorant. ignore her.
btw hunter, i'm a muslim woman, notice that you can see my hair and face.
What protections ? They're dead . The murderers wil be out of prison in 5 years , if they don't just get deported . The death penalty should be brought back for cases like this .
JJ must have posted a link to this blog-post by my co-blogger deBeauxOs. We got a few hits before it was deleted. ;)
Fern, you lefty. Hunter hates links to "leftard" blogs!
"...female gentile mutilation"
OMG! OMG! All Shiksas into the basement!
Unfortunately Carolyn, Hunter is considered the 'norm' among the Blogging Tories.
Hi, SQ. Hunter hates all lefty links or just the ones that prove her (dat right?) wrong?
Hi Brenda. Soon I'll know the last name too.
Hello Marty!
Why did you delete my comment?
Maybe because I linked to 3 recent posts by feminists on the topic you say feminists have no time for?
There's this one
this one
and
this one
Fortunately I've also got a screenshot of my original comment which I'm posting here, with a response to your gutlessness for deleting a comment rather than admitting you might have made a mistake.
You're welcome!!
Say Martin (assuming that's your real name), why would you want to know her last name?
What would you be planning to do with that information?
And how loud would you squeal if some dread lefty said the exact same thing to Hunter?
Oh, and so we're clear here: my name is the one in my google account, the IP originates out of Dunedin New Zealand... Just want to save you some time.
I'm sure the crickets are chirping at NAC-SOW.....
"Soon I'll know the last name too."
it hink it's brindle.
KEvron
Your comment was probably deleted because of the language you used. Hunter doens't allow foul language. Her house, her rules, deal with it.
That said, 3 blog post hardly shows that feminists are out in full force against radical Islam. 3 posts? LMAO! Wow, that'll learn 'em! I'm sure this news will get to Osama's cave in Afghanistan with his copy of the New York Times come Monday morning!
The modern day North American feminists have been relatively quiet becasue real serious stuff like female genital mutilation, horour killings and subservience really makes thier issues of pay equity and access to daycare quite petty in comparison...which they ARE.
I wouldn't be surprised if said feminists are a little p.o'd that thier thunder has been stolen by these real issues of inequality. It would be like ringing a bicycle bell next to a fog horn.
Kinda hard for the gals in the secretary pool to comnplain that the boys in shipping are making more money than they are when Fatima is in the bottom of a lake or had her throat cut because she was seen with a male who was not her family member.
So Eskimo - kindly advise us as to what you are doing for these women that feminists are not doing.
Great post L an dwelcome to my blog.
rbm, right it was a misspelling.
Dupmar, you are right it is not all Muslims, just the radical ones we need to worry about.
Comment deleted because of typical lefty disrespect for conservative views, and because jj likes to name call. Grow up, jj.
Carolyn, I expect you as a Muslim to stand up for your sisters. What? Only interested in posting on blogs about how free you are because you are not forced to wear a burka? Have you shown your face to your Imam and told him that? You of all people should be congratulating me on blogging about these honour killings, but feminists just can't understand that calling someone their "sister" isn't enough.
Martin, knock yourself out, LMAO, you are on the hunt for a middle aged, gardener who looks after guide dogs in training! WOW won't I be a big reveal! HA! Too funny!
Eskimo, you are right, the language was too much like rabble. Notice I left jj's next comment up, but the lefties have to scream because their voices are not being heard on a Conservative site, poor babies!
Notice that no lefty used any intelligence for their posts, that's why I let them post here, so we can all see their mind set, and it's not pretty.
This is progressive to lefties, a spewing of attacks against the blog, not against those that murder their daughters and sisters because of their religion. Carolyn should be ashamed of herself. She attacked those who oppose honour killings, not those who do them.
Carolyn, your pretty little face, that you show so proudly, disguises the total lack of regard you have for your "sisters" who are being killed.
Let me help you people out here.
See, the point of most advocacy groups is to draw attention to issues that otherwise are ignored.
It seems to me these killings have been pretty widely condemned by all parts of our society.
What exactly do you think feminist groups will add to that? There is no need for any particular advocacy - honour killings are recognized as being abhorent and unlawful - and they are prosecuted as such.
But by all means, make this whole issue about feminists. It is a shameless exploitation of the deaths of 4 innocent women, but why let that stop you?
Eskimo - LOL, 3 blog posts -- not enough. You people are so predictable and so lame.
Feminists have been on the issue of mistreatment of Muslim women for decades -- conservatives only jumped on the bandwagon after 9/11. So, uh, welcome aboard.
And Hunter, if you really want to do a decent post about this issue (and I have no reason to doubt your sincerity in that respect), it might be a good idea not to spend half of it bashing feminists. We were there a long time before you were.
This isn't about what I'm doing Gayle, it's what the feminists are doing. Nice try. (When backed into a corner a lefty will always deflect, point a finger and say "yeah, but what about you"). How typical.
Oh, and what the feminists are doing is next to nothing. Let's deal with the apples before we move onto the oranges, ok?
Hunter is speaking out against radical Islam. The feminists are whistling past the graveyard.
If a feminist group, in your mind, cannot 'add anything' to the denouncing of cultrual/religious whackos murdering thier women, then maybe so-called feminism has passed its best before date.
Muslim women are having thier throats cut and while they're bleeding out on the floor, feminists worry over such horrors as the flight attendants thinking they should earn as much money as the airline pilots and get subsidized daycare to boot. What on earth could they add to the debate when they clearly have such big fish to fry? Quite the moral equivelency isn't it Gayle?
So if honour killings are just your garden variety killings, like a crime of passion or a poker game gone bad, I guess there should be no need for any of this hate crime legislation or special treatment when a peace officer is murdered. I mean, all things being equal, that's a bandwagon even you will want to hop on board, now won't you Gayle.
Thanks also for clearing up that 'other advocacy groups have spoken up, so feminists don't have to'. Who are they going to speak for now that they've thrown their sister under the bus?
I'm sure there's 4H club or Junior Acheivement group that could use some volunteers now that they have so much free time on thier hands.
"Feminists have been on the issue of mistreatment of Muslim women for decades -- conservatives only jumped on the bandwagon after 9/11."
Decades eh? Must have been one of those silent vigils, beacause all we've heared were the crickets.
Prove it.
Please post some links to news footage showing the raging feminists out en masse protesting at mosques, at immams homes, perhaps some nationally distributed newspaper articles of these events would be nice too.
Looking back at your comment you say that feminists have been 'on the issue', so I guess that could mean anything from a blurb in the 'Feminist Gazette' newsletter to total indifference. I'm inclined to go with the latter.
On second thought, never mind. You have a real toilet mouth and I couldn't be bothered with you.
"This isn't about what I'm doing Gayle, it's what the feminists are doing. Nice try. (When backed into a corner a lefty will always deflect, point a finger and say "yeah, but what about you"). How typical."
Actually - what is typical is the way you absolve yourself of having to "do" anything, while you point fingers at "feminists" and complain that they are doing nothing.
Where is the Red Cross, the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, the Conservative Party of Canada? What are THEY doing???
Oh wait, it is not about that - it is about feminists. Apparently the only people in the whole wide world who have any responsibility here are feminists - each and every one of them.
How very convenient for you. God forbid you take any responsibility for anything.
"So if honour killings are just your garden variety killings, like a crime of passion or a poker game gone bad, I guess there should be no need for any of this hate crime legislation or special treatment when a peace officer is murdered."
Who said that? Maybe you should look up the term "strawman".
And can you please answer my question?
"What exactly do you think feminist groups will add to that? "
I mean, we have already settled the matter on what you should be doing - apparently nothing - but maybe you could tell me what you think all those darned feminists should be doing, and how you think it will make a difference.
If that is not too hard for you - and it appears it is - since all you have managed to post so far are attacks - on me, on feminists, etc etc... Par for the course when it comes to your diatribes though, so it is not like I expected anything intelligent from you.
At least you do not disappoint Eskimo...
Well Gayle, those darned feminists are quick to protest on Parliament Hill when they want subsidized daycare, they even bring their young charges with them. So, if they can be so vocal about daycare, why not protest the murder of young Muslim girls? Crickets.
You lefties follow the leader, CC links to my post, you all jump on the bandwagon. Like I said, no intellectual spark, just join the leader, you are such a pack of cowards, such followers, it would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
Carolyn is a typical example of women who need to be lead around by someone like CC. She thinks she's a feminist, but she is a slave to CC and follows him like a puppy who piddles when it gets some attention from it's master.
Speaking as someone who pretty much by definition cannot be a feminist, I have to ask, hunter (and, you know, I never knew you were a woman before this?) what you think protesting would do?
Do we want to keep families from tyrannical, oppressive cultures out of Canada? No! As one poster already pointed out, we want them here where we can provide help to the oppressed, and prosecute the oppressors!
Do we want to render a culture (or religion) illegal because of a few bad people? Well, Mormonism, Catholicism, Evangelic Christians - they'd better line up for the chopping block.
The one remaining point you could possibly be making is that they should protest it because it's wrong.
Well, duh. It's murder. You don't need to protest it. It is already the most heinous crime in the Canadian legal system. Protesting on Parliament Hill would gain nothing. Protesting in the countries where such activity is not illegal will get you killed. And popular support shouldn't sway a courtroom or a judge.
So what are feminists doing? They're focusing on issues where they can make a difference - rather than issues where the inherent wrongness is already cut and dried.
And what aren't feminists doing (at least the ones in evidence on your blog)? Exploiting a gruesome and heinous crime to attack groups they dislike.
BBHHH, you Conservatives give them enough material - they don't need to establish some sense of false outrage.
Speaking as someone who pretty much by definition cannot be a feminist, I have to ask, hunter (and, you know, I never knew you were a woman before this?) what you think protesting would do?
Right you only came here because CC linked to my blog, that's why you never knew I was a female. You have no clue about me, except what CC has told you. You are a CC clone, a robot, a lefty who finds it impossible to think for themselves, just like all the lefty clones on my site.
Uh, SQ, those who commit honour killings also have white people among them. Bringing in skin colour is disgraceful - your comment is racist and downright offensive.
As for the FLDS - where are the feminists on that particular issue? Where are you on that particular issue?
Why would you seek to change the channel with your comment. The issue is about honour killings and you bring in Bountiful. Good grief, your comments are so beyond normal rationality and intelligence.
Gayle - you asked what I deem to be a valid question so I'll weigh in here. I would like the SOW and other feminist groups to vocally and intensly protest the FLDS in Bountiful. I have read two books written by two (American) women who managed to escape the FLDS and it was horrifying - both their lives within the cult and their lives post-escape. That is my response to your valid question.
Now, if a woman CHOOSES to live in a polygamous community and to be subservient to the menfolk, no problem - if it is her choice which she made with her own free will as a fully functional adult.
As for these honour killings - it is a disgrace and flies in the face of all that the feminist movement of the 1960s was all about. As far as I am concerned, it is not a domestic issue and not the result of a dysfunctional domestic situation but, rather, a cultural issue which is limited to only a small portion of the Islamic community as a whole. I have a number of Islamic friends and, indeed, some relatives of the Islamic faith and I can assure you that honour killings or subjugation of women is NOT part of their religion or culture.
Not one of the women among my Muslim friends wears a hijab or any other covering. They do, however, dress modestly.
Our women's groups should be loudly protesting these honour killings and calling for very stiff sentences for the men who kill these women. Canada is a free country and we should not allow any group to enter our country and bring these horrid customs with them.
Muslims who deplore this customs should be demanding that our government crack down on the practitioners of this horrid custom. As I said, this honour killing BS is restricted to a very small minority among Islamic people. We would not tolerate this among Christian or Jewish people and, thus, should not tolerate it among Islamic people.
One of the women whom I admire greatly is Queen Rania of Jordan. Watch her on YouTube and you'll see an honest portrayal of Middle Eastern culture and what she and others are doing to bring women to equality.
As for day care - I think it is a nice idea but it doesn't do a bit of good for those women who are subjugated and abused.
And, yes, this sort of treatment of women does occur across all cultures and religions. What makes honour killings so newsworthy is the fact that the people who commit honour killings claim that it is part of their religion. I am no expert on Islam but as far as I understand it, killing women is not part of the faith. The Prophet, in fact, gave unheard of rights to women. It is men who have corrupted this concept.
Islam is not an ugly religion - in fact, it is quite the opposite. What men have done with it is, however, ugly. We saw the same thing, in history, done to my own faith (Christianity) and, indeed, there are some sects within my faith who corrupt the word of God.
I obviously have nothing against religion. I do, however, have everything against those people who use it as a weapon against others.
Gayle, if the M.O. of a feminist is to 'speak for' women, how can you even formulate the statement that 'seeng other groups have spoken out against radical Islam, the femmies are content and justified to navel gaze'?
I have not absolved anyone nor any organization of anything, my whole point was that if women are being murdered you'd THINK a women's group would want to denounce the murderers or at least have opinion heard.
By and large the feminist groups have been silent. You would think
"a lefty who finds it impossible to think for themselves, just like all the lefty clones on my site."
Can't think for themselves??
Says the blogger whose very supposition here is that 'feminists' don't care about honour killings.
And when someone points out that there is, indeed, many 'lefty/feminist' bloggers that have actually tackled this very subject... that 'feminists' have been clamouring about this vey issue for *decades*... what do you do?
Delete the post.
And when the links are posted again, you ignore them.
And you have the gall to accuse others of not thinking for themselves??
You have reached the same ignorant plateau as Patrick--ignoring and deleting that which completely refutes your points, and then yammering about 'those darn lefties are dumb and mean!'
I know you don't want to be educated, but if you do have a change of heart and actually want to be there for your fellow woman, I suggest that you read cc's latest blog regarding one Suaad Hagi Mohamud who is being left stranded in some foreign country by your Canadian government.
Until such time that you deal with the pressing needs of a female Canadian citizen that requires your help right now, you're a hypocrite.
You accused 'feminists' of doing nothing to prevent these honour killings--
Feminists are too busy yapping about daycare and equal pay to be bothered with such things as honour killings, female gentile mutilation and burkas. Such a shame my "sisters" are just politically correct little Stepford wife's. Robots with no real compassion for the people who truly need their help
I don't see you doing anything for Suaad Hagi Mohamud.
Where's your compassion, Hunter?? Or is she not worthy enough for it?
Hi, I'm just going to talk a while. It really doesn't matter what I say; we're all here just to hear our own voices. La la la la! My tribe is awesome and yours kills women! My tribe is smart and erudite, all yours can do is lie and say naughty words. My tribe loves mothers, but not they way YOUR tribe does. Well, that should do it for now.
"Please post some links to news footage showing the raging feminists out en masse protesting at mosques, at immams homes, perhaps some nationally distributed newspaper articles of these events would be nice too."
You seriously think protesting mosques is an effective way to support Muslim women? Give your head a shake -- half the people inside are Muslim women.
You're clearly too stupid for me to waste any more time on.
Right you only came here because CC linked to my blog, that's why you never knew I was a female. You have no clue about me, except what CC has told you. You are a CC clone, a robot, a lefty who finds it impossible to think for themselves, just like all the lefty clones on my site.
Respectfully, why does where I linked from (or, for that matter, whether I knew you were male or female) matter? Anyone can read your post and realize from simple analysis (and a quick review of your post history) that you (and within the first paragraph!) engage in ad hominem attacks against groups that have been amply demonstrated have no real reason to involve themselves, and reveal a persecution complex a mile wide.
Frankly, after I first came across your blog (after linking from the now - thankfully - defunct Raging Tory) I realized that on the whole, your posts weren't worth the bandwidth. When Cynic links to your posts, half the time I can't bear to follow them; the rest of the time, it's a sort of morbid curiosity, like rubbernecking at an accident.
But, regarding the original post... *clears throat* I agree, wholeheartedly, that it is a vicious, evil crime, and I hope that the killers are put away for a very long time. I agree that the situation in other countries is worse, and that we should encourage our government to exert pressure through the UN on those countries.
But, "Feminists are too busy yapping about daycare and equal pay to be bothered with such things as honour killings, female gentile[sic] mutilation and burkas." Really? Have you gone to feminist sites, and examined their posts, or is this just an assumption. Because, just now, I used a site called "Google". It looks to me that a great many feminists are concerned about (and organizing protests about) just those topics. And does that mean you're M. Sarkozy's biggest fan?
As for Atlas Shrugged, Geller herself links to an article from the National Post wherein she is essentially called a nutbar. The National Post. Not any of our so-called "leftist" newspapers.
This is not the kind of person to whom you want to be hitching your online wagon - unless, of course, you revel in being tarred with the same brush.
Cheers.
That's what I thought--you won't publish people that prove you wrong.
Coward
"We would not tolerate this among Christian or Jewish people and, thus, should not tolerate it among Islamic people."
We DON'T tolerate it - which is why these people are being charged and prosecuted, and if convicted will get life in prison.
Why do some of you seem to believe we are just letting them "get away" with it?
"...how can you even formulate the statement that 'seeng other groups have spoken out against radical Islam, the femmies are content and justified to navel gaze'?"
When did I say that? Oh that's right - I didn't. Please look up the term "strawman" and then try to rehabilitate yourself because you rely on strawman arguments far too often.
"...you'd THINK a women's group would want to denounce the murderers or at least have opinion heard."
Maybe you missed all those links other people have posted here to sites where feminists are denouncing these murders.
Or, as someone here who is obviously much smarter than me said:
"Well, duh. It's murder. You don't need to protest it. It is already the most heinous crime in the Canadian legal system. Protesting on Parliament Hill would gain nothing. Protesting in the countries where such activity is not illegal will get you killed. And popular support shouldn't sway a courtroom or a judge.
So what are feminists doing? They're focusing on issues where they can make a difference - rather than issues where the inherent wrongness is already cut and dried."
So, again Eskimo, I feel the need to point out that to you this issue seems to be more about attacking feminists than it does about protecting these women from harm, or expressing condemnation about their murders.
Maybe think about that.
"Domestic disputes" include the possibility of pre-meditation.
Sorry S. Quebec: some women were already professionals before there were feminists. It was possible to succeed when the text books had "he" and thesis professors joked about how much we women could make on the street (we just laughed, as it was allowed then).
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