Secret federal documents reveal full AECL funding
Sensitive government documents left behind at a CTV News bureau reveal Ottawa has poured far more money into the aging Chalk River nuclear reactor than the public has been told.
The binder of documents was left nearly a week ago at CTV's Ottawa bureau by either Minister of Natural Resources Lisa Raitt or one of her aides. Some of the papers are clearly marked "secret."
So, they kept those "secret" documents for a week? They copied them and now they are publishing select portions from those "secret" documents? You disgusting scum, if that would have been the Liberals you would have quietly returned the documents. Even so, you know you should have returned those documents without looking at them. How small can you be to even look at those documents before you returned them? We teach our children to return items to their rightful owners, but the Liberal media just can't help themselves, like kids in a candy store, they had to peek. No morals, just like the Liberals they support.
Here is another fine example of the Liberal media at work to support their party.
The bank warned that Ottawa's current budget balance projections are off by a significant degree. TD economists Don Drummond and Derek Burleton say in a report the federal government will run a cumulative deficit of roughly $167-billion over five years, or nearly double what Ottawa projected in its most recent budget.
The Liberal media fails to mention that Drummer Boy is a huge Liberal supporter. They use this projection to slam the Conservatives, but remember behind the Finance Minister are all the civil servants that are feeding him this information, so they are also calling those civil servants incompetent dolts. Or are the civil servants feeding the Liberals numbers in advance?
Then the Iggster, using the TD numbers threatens another election:
OTTAWA — Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff is threatening to introduce a motion of non-confidence in the Conservative government as early as next week.
Lashing out at the minority Conservatives over unemployment insurance, isotopes and the deficit, Ignatieff said his party “will make a serene and clear decision” by midweek about whether it wants to topple the Tories.
The government’s second “report card” on the federal budget’s economic stimulus package is due sometime in June. That could be the catalyst for a non-confidence vote.
“I’m trying to make Parliament work with a government that every day is displaying more flagrant examples of incompetence,” Ignatieff told reporters. He said the Tories had “no plan” to deal with the isotope shortage and were posting staggering deficit numbers.
TD Bank yesterday said the deficit could be more than $172 billion over the next five years.
“The public finances of the country are not under control,” Ignatieff said.
Interesting links with damaging information can be found here:
Blue Like You
A CAW Workers Voice Of Reason
Interesting stuff about Drummer Boy and his affiliation with the Liberal party, which you will never hear from the Liberal MSM. Bank at TD? Maybe you should think about a nice Credit Union. So we know that big businesses like banks are Liberal supporters and unions are NDP supporters, where does that leave the Conservatives? With a whole bunch of grassroots supporters.
The Liberal media is losing viewership, and they blame it on everything except their Liberal bias. That will not pay any bills. Maybe the Liberal MSM should refuse all car dealership ads, because it was the Conservatives that worked to save the auto industry in Canada, see how that works for them. HA!
UPDATE: From Iggy's own mouth we hear that the Liberals have a friendly relationship with the media:
UPDATE 2: The Attack of the Lefty Yellow Jackets, who think they can make MY PLACE home, because their own homes are so unlivable. H/T to mahmood for giving me the idea:
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I have to wonder who in the civil service is leaking info and leaving it around for the media to find. Remember the documents found in a garbage bin, found by someone on his way to dinner. Then there were the documents found on a street, in the rain, with tire marks on them. Now this. CTV is no better than the NYT who published secret military plans.
Have the media no morals, do they not know what secret means. They can't be trusted with anything. If these had been military documents regarding a proposed action in Afghanistan, would they have warned our enemies. You Betcha they would have.
Re the supposed deficit in five years, where are those numbers coming from. Is it a scam to get an election with liberals winning, and in a couple of years this does not happen and the media saying Iggy saved Canada.
If one has paid any attention to the experts over the past two years, most of them have been very wrong.
And isn't the minister resonsible for those documents the one that beat Garth. Is he behind all this.
This is so tired. Wah wah wah the MSM hates conservatives. Give me a break. Ever here Charles Adler? DAve Rutherford? Sun chain? NAtional Post? These and others are conservative biase media outlets. So, give this tired stuff a rest.
You are becoming a parody of yourself.
When you finally accept that the Conservatives lie about everything, you will then see the light. Until then, just keep screaming "MSM Liberal biased media!". You have become the Chicken Little of the Blogging Tories. That is quite an accomplishment!
"When you finally accept that the Conservatives lie about everything, you will then see the light."
Sigh.... not again.
I asked Gayle to tell me how the CPC "lies" and she refused so now I am asking you. Please back up your statements SQ or face the fact that you will be looked at as another left wing squawker.
And if we want to talk about "lying" - let's look at the Liberals record shall we?
You first SQ
Regarding TD's predictions, I would love to see them respond to Paul's numbers. Even stalwart Liberal Ted seemed stymied by Paul's number-crunching.
Re: the missing documents. This one will be interesting. It could be more fodder for Iggy to call for an election. Why indeed did CTV wait until precisely this moment, when TD's report came out?
Very, very intriguing.
You disgusting, lying fascist, Hunter. This is what the media is supposed to do.
Not if it's bad stuff about about the Cons Ti-Guy. OMG Adscam, adscam!
"You disgusting, lying fascist, Hunter. This is what the media is supposed to do."
So this is what the Media is suppose to do? Sit on SECRET documents for a week, open them up and publicize them?
Come on Ti-guy that is a bit harsh and really stupid.
Something stinks about this entire story. I find it hard to believe that a minister or her aide would be so careless. I am more inclined to believe that this was intentional or this info was leaked from within the department and CTV is making up some cover story on how they got them. Or perhaps, government intentionally left them there for some reason.
All I know is that something is not right about this story.I am quite curious about the government reaction regarding this development.
"we do not need the media to TELL us what to think, do, or say."
Huntsy, are you talking about media or advertising?
"So, they kept those "secret" documents for a week?"
Do there not seem to have been quite a lot of interesting developments surrounding Chalk River in the last week? Maybe they were trying to make sense of the documents.
"You disgusting scum, if that would have been the Liberals you would have quietly returned the documents."
Huntsy it's the same disgusting scum that aired Dion's false start interview a couple of months ago. But that doesn't much change the fact the Conservatives like to leave papers lying around. As to the point of the legitimacy of peeking? A rubber stamp that says secret is slim protection for documents left in the public domain.
"The Liberal media fails to mention that Drummer Boy is a huge Liberal supporter."
But neither is it a secret, is it? The conservatives fired their own budgetary officer appointee and chose another dude from their vast selection of qualified individuals. What's wrong with this new guy? Cat got his tongue?
I have a theory - MP Raitt leaked the story. Hahahah!
Day after day we see examples of the Liberal biased media cheering for their team, and slagging the Conservatives any chance they get
That's where I should have stopped reading--being inundated (in case Neo reads this--I know it's a big word--you can look it up) every commercial break with "Just Visiting"...
Hunter, wanna try this "Woe is poor, persecuted us" again?
AlbertaGirl -- for you
A man died and went to Heaven.
As he stood in front of the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks
behind him. He asked, 'What are all those clocks?'
St. Peter answered, “'These are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on earth
has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock move.”'
'Oh', said the man. 'Whose clock is that?'
'That's Mother Teresa's', replied St. Peter.. 'The hands have never
moved, indicating that she never told a lie.'
'Incredible', said the man. 'And whose clock is that one?'
St. Peter responded, 'that's Abraham Lincoln's clock: the hands have
moved twice, telling us that Abraham told only two lies in his entire life.'
'Where's Brian Mulroney’s clock?' Asked the man.
St Peter replied, “Jesus has it in his office. He uses it as a ceiling fan”.
Didn't Max Bernier also leave some super-duper top secret papers in Biker Babe's apartment. Or am I misremembering?
Just Visiting would be a primo place to start with an answer to ABG's little query about Conservative lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFj8QY9iNI4
"You disgusting, lying fascist, Hunter. This is what the media is supposed to do."
OOOOOOH, Hunter - the BIG trolls are here - You must be really getting under their skin.
Ha Ha.
BTW TG; don't you think it's kind of strange how the Liberals are always on the receiving end of "forgotten" documents?
Lying?? - the Liberals have that sewn up in spades.
I highly doubt that these documents were "forgotten".
If the documents weren't forgotten then the minister was aware CTV had them?
Or wasn't it more like CTV was watching the clock and wondering how long it would take Raitt's department to realize they were missing something sensitive...
Hunter: That video could be the stupidist thing ever produced by a twelve year old! Grow up!
A Cabinet Minister leaves behind highly sensitive and secret documents, breaking a legal pledge, revealing cabinet information, possibly breaking the law and… it is CTV’s fault. Of course. Naturally. What other conclusion could you possibly draw from this.
I wonder what her boss, the Prime Minister of Canada thinks about leaving secret documents around in public? hmmmm:
“Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): Ministers are always responsible for the protection of classified documents. The minister admitted his mistake in this matter and resigned his post. That is why I accepted his resignation. The former minister did the honourable thing by resigning. (Hansard, Monday, June 02, 2008 @ 2:24 PM)
Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): The minister admitted that he failed to protect classified documents. That is why he offered his resignation and why I accepted it. (Hansard, Monday, June 02, 2008 @ 2:25 PM)
Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): We know the reason the former minister of foreign affairs offered me his resignation was because of his own actions. He left classified documents in an inappropriate and unsecured location. He offered to resign and I accepted his resignation. (Hansard, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 @ 2:20 PM)
Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): Mr. Speaker, as I have said repeatedly, we do not conduct investigations into private citizens. As the Leader of the Opposition knows, the former minister of foreign affairs informed me about the problem with the documents on Monday and offered his resignation, and that is why I accepted it. (Hansard, Tuesday, June 03, 2008 @ 2:16 PM)
Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): Mr. Speaker, personal relationships are private matters. The former foreign affairs minister admitted that he left classified documents in unsecured premises. That is the reason why he tendered his resignation and I accepted it. (Hansard, Tuesday, June 03, 2008 @ 2:21 PM)
Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): Mr. Speaker, the rules governing classified documents are always serious. That is why, when the minister became aware of the situation, he told me and tendered his resignation, which I accepted. (Hansard, Monday, June 02, 2008 @ 2:18 PM) ”
Doh!
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"And isn't the minister resonsible[sic] for those documents the one that beat Garth."
That would be one way to spin the story, MARYT. The other would be to ask wasn't the minister responsible for those documents the candidate appointed to Halton by PMSH?
As for media bias, when are you going to get over yourselves on this myth and take responsibility for your own actions.
When are you going realize that you are in government and not opposition? What party hasn't faced this exact sort of coverage when in government?
It was not the NDP or the Reform/Conservatives who did the digging and exposed the HRDC "boondoggle" (and they didn't report on how it wasn't a boondoggle and all money was accounted for), Shawinigate, Adscam, Pierre Pettigrew in Paris with his "driver/bodyguard", the leaked 2006 platform, the gun registry cost overruns, the internecine warfare between Martina and Chretien and Turner, cabinet leaks, etc.
These were all uncovered by your so-called "Liberal-friendly" media, folks. Not the hapless opposition parties of the day.
The Conservatives are in government now. Not for very long though, but think of the upcoming election loss as a good thing. You all seem so much more comfortable in opposition.
Iliked when Minister Raitt was at Home Depot handing out pamphlets about home renos - What's she the Minister of again? Riiiiigggghhhhtttt.
It does seem that the Prime Minister recognizes the seriousness of leaving secret documents lying around in public:
"Excerpts from the Prime Minister’s press conference on the evening of May 26, 2008.
“… this afternoon I received and I accepted Minister Bernier’s resignation from the Cabinet. Minister Bernier has learned and informed me that he left a classified government document in a non secure location. This is a serious error. The Minister has accepted his responsibilities in offering to resign.
“This is about one thing, and that is a failure to uphold expected standards on government documents. It is a very serious mistake regardless of who the Minister is, regardless of personal life, to leave classified documents in an unsecured location. And this is a serious error. The Minister has recognized this error himself and offered to resign.
“Let me just be very clear about this. This is not to do with the Minister’s private life or the life of a private citizen. 99% of which I think is completely off bounds. I don’t think it matters who a Minister is dating. I don’t think it matters anything about the private life of some private citizen. What matters here is that rules respecting government classified documents were broken.
“It obviously was not done on purpose. It was a mistake. But it doesn’t matter. It was clearly done and that has to be treated appropriately. There are precedents and this obviously is a warning to all Ministers.”
"If the documents weren't forgotten then the minister was aware CTV had them?"
Or - did you ever think that maybe they came to be in CTV's possession some other way??
just sayin?
If the documents were missing - presumed stolen, wouldn't the minister have made authorities aware of the problem?
I guess she could still call for an investigation but she has egg all over her face and down her pashmina already. She's RESPONSIBLE or are you saying she's irresponsible?
Hey ABG, how's your research on climate change going - found any links yet?
The liberals have parachuted many mps into ridings, think Iggy. Now they are looking for a place for BS to make a comeback.
Perhaps the former head of the AECL gave those documents to ctv and they waited for an opportune time to mention it.
Let's see some dates on the documents. We all remember the phony documents a CBS reporter tried to pass off.
I guess we should thank the trolls for teaching us how to spin a story.
You should thank the trolls for bothering with your sorry arses - Not one of you has brought up a single issue - such as nuclear safety - or the isotope supply - or say, asked or answered the question of why some moneys are represented in the public budget and some are not?
Has anyone else ever noticed that every single exchange at this sorry excuse for a blog is some variation of this?
Someone: "Let me offer a thoughtful and researched rebuttal of something you have just written, with corroborating evidence of my position."
Hunter: "HAHAHA! Looks like I provoked the stoopid leftard trolls again, bunch of stoopid leftard trolls, HAHAHA!"
There. I just saved you the trouble of ever reading another comment by Hunter. You can thank me later.
CC: Wait until AlbertaGril asks you to prove a negative.
Where's Gabby, the PR flack guy for the conservatives? Usually he's around defending them...
We're not defending negatives today, SQ. Today we're shooting the messenger, I mean the media.
MY, my, the trolls are out in force today.
Let me remind you that this is a Conservative blog and if you don't like it don't come here to post and don't link to it.
Now the question is, was CTV ethical in keeping the documents for a week and releasing "secret" documents in the media?
What were they supposed to do - put them in a cab with a gopher?
Once "secret" documents are out from under lock and key - are they still secret? Why is the way our government funds Atomic Energy of Canada, with our tax dollars a secret?
Why is the production of medical isotopes "optional" in the secret documents? In case people who are sick "opt" for treatment?
"Now the question is, was CTV ethical in keeping the documents for a week and releasing "secret" documents in the media?"
No it's not.
You have a cabinet minister who has or whose staff has left highly confidential materials lying around in public. Will the Minister take her ministerial responsibility seriously and resign?
You have the information in that file showing that budget spending items have been hidden from the public by the Conservatives. Will the Minister of Finance please explain why he is hiding information from the public?
You have information in that file showing that the reactors are in far worse shape than previously disclosed and now we are in the middle of a "life and death" isotope shortage crisis. Will the Minister please explain just what the heck her ministry has been doing over the last 3 years?
You have information now showing a clear incompetence and mess on this whole file. Will the Prime Minister tell Canadians what the heck he is going to do about his mess of an incompetent government?
Those are the questions, Hunter.
I suppose you could say your attempt at distracting from real public policy issues is certainly a question, but is most certainly not, and is very very far from being, the question.
"Now the question is, was CTV ethical in keeping the documents for a week and releasing "secret" documents in the media?"
No the questions are: Should the Minister step down for leaving confidential documents at a media outlet? and Did she know that the documents were missing? (ie how clueless is she?)
Those are the questions!
No, the question is, what does it mean that several of those pages were "marked" SECRET. "Marked" in what way?
If it was an official Government of Canada security classification, then Minister Raitt should be fired for astonishing incompetence and negligence, not only for losing said documents but, according to press reports, not even bothering to go looking for them after a week and not even knowing they were missing.
Or does it mean that the word "SECRET" was scrawled on those pages by some low-level flunkie with a Sharpie? In which case that "marking" has no value whatsoever.
So, which was it? Truly enquiring minds want to know.
No, the question is do the Conserves care one iota about getting it right ? What would Ayn Rand, Ronald Reagan or Jesus say? Those are the questions!
This is the same CTV that aired a blooper reel of Dion, after telling him they wouldn't? The same CTV that did not wait a week to see if their question was reasonably understandable for someone without Igantieff's command of English?
Dear CC:
Please refrain from misrepresenting Hunter's typical comments. She never says "HAHAHA! Looks like I provoked the stoopid leftard trolls again, bunch of stoopid leftard trolls, HAHAHA!"
She always refers to "trolls being out in force", or "hitting a nerve". She never says "HAHAHA!", only "HA!". Plus you misquoted her by omitting the phrases "terrorist loving", "troop hating" which invariably pepper her commments.
Kindly be more accurate in the future. Following standard practice on this blog is no excuse for you to do the same. You wouldn't jump off a bridge just because Hunter did, so why would you misrepresent Hunter's words even slightly, just because she grossly misrepresents everyone else's words.
Thank you.
LS
Hey Huntsy, do you get paid more if more trolls come to your site or do you get paid less for your essays if they attract too many trolls?
I can't believe that you would delete CC's comment, which was merely setting you straight on how secret documents are supposed to be handled. You obviously lack intellectual honesty, to put it mildly.
That was very well put Dr. Dawg. Most of us wouldn't have been so kind. :)
Generally, Huntsy asks her readers to prove to her that they are not stupid.
Comment moderation has been turned on while I am at work. I can not be monitoring the trolls all day. This happens everytime some idiot lefty links to my blog.
If you have a valid comment, it will be posted.
If you have a valid comment, it will be posted.
But might be deleted later, just because, eh?
I felt this CC fellas comment was useful and politically benign. It cleared up the legal requirements of transporting SECRET documents. You deleted that.
Comment moderation doesn't delete posts. Please try again.
Comment moderation has been turned on while I am at work. I can not be monitoring the trolls all day. This happens everytime some idiot lefty links to my blog.
Wow! You and Neo should hang out more...
Both of you can't handle commenters pointing out your fallacies (another big word for Neo to look up) and lies.
It's not trolling when commenters show you where you're wrong. It's not trolling when commenters investigate your point and easily dispute it with itemized research.
It's not trolling just because you don't like what they say.
And the whining begins by the lefties. I always delete posts that link to lefty sites, I find it funny that CC has to come here to link to his blog, numbers down on your site CC??
you have proved to be a true conservative. when the going gets tough, you run and hide. we would expect no less from you. and facts, you don't want no stinking facts!
"And the whining begins by the lefties. I always delete posts that link to lefty sites, I find it funny that CC has to come here to link to his blog, numbers down on your site CC??"
You admit to deleting any post that links to a "lefty" site? And you then say that anything "valid" will be left up?
You are a coward and a liar.
"And the whining begins by the lefties. I always delete posts that link to lefty sites, I find it funny that CC has to come here to link to his blog, numbers down on your site CC??"
You admit to deleting any post that links to a "lefty" site? And you then say that anything "valid" will be left up?
You are a coward and a liar.
"I asked Gayle to tell me how the CPC "lies" and she refused..."
No, I didn't. I pointed it out to you. Don't blame me because you were forced to resort to demanding I prove a negative.
As you can see, the lefties continue to attack me and my Conservative posters personally not the issue. They have no idea what the issue is anymore they are so intent on intimidation they are foaming at the mouth!
Way too go, keep showing us all how tolerent you lefties really are, it is very eye opening.
Whooee!...you've got 'em all here, a stranger to the site would think this is a progblog and you're the troll...even the pipsqueak Dawg has managed to drag his mangy carcass down here...you've got Cammy Campbell so excited he's chewed his cabbage twice...Liberal Suppository, he of the maniacal hahahahahahaha's pontificating on (what else)hahahahaha's, how he finds the time making 2m. clams/yr. to squat here all day hahahahahaing is anyone's guess...Sparky Sparkles droning on about fallacies and lies(I think this one has a crush on "neo")...the CynicBoy, who has exploded his melon more times than Gallagher the comedian has bashed melons, singing his one and only tune..."Aaacck!...Aaacck!...ooohhh the ****tudes are exploding my melon...Aaacck!...Aaacck!...this ****tude, that ****tude everywhere a ****tude ****tude...feel free to join the Boy at the chorus, he'll muchly appreciate it...and twi-guy is here...heh heh...*twi-guy*...heh.
nicely done Hunter, I believe you've got the award for most exploding proggiemelons in a thread...2009 edition...congrats.
Thanks mahmood, I needed a laugh after a day of troll hunting!
Yup they all showed up, they were crawling all over the place, but a bit of raid works wonders every time!
What was that you were saying about personal attacks again Hunter?
Oh, so you think you are one of those yellow jackets, Gayle?? Funny, I never named names did I, but if the shoe fits....
I was referring to mahmood actually.
If anyone doesn't think what the lefties did on my site today wasn't a swarming, you don't understand lefty thinking.
They seriously think that coming in force because CC tells them to and totally taking over the comments section is a valid way to show how progressive they are about everything except Conservatives.
Then they complain because I delete one comment that linked to a lefty site, and have the audacity to put comment moderation on while I am at work, while I leave the vile comment from TiGuy up You disgusting, lying fascist, Hunter. This is what the media is supposed to do. and they seem to have no problem with that comment.
I admit I deleted some of the trolls comments, but I let most of them rant to show you what those tolerant lefties do when they disagree with you. I imagine most Blogging Tories have had to put up with this behaviour that's why most put their blogs on comment moderation.
I wanted you to see how intolerant the left is of anything they disagree with, and understand their group mentality, they are incapable of thinking for themselves, they are willing to follow, never lead, never think for themselves.
They are like the wasps that serve no purpose in a garden except to bite you for no reason.
Now, where is that RAID!
"No, I didn't. I pointed it out to you. Don't blame me because you were forced to resort to demanding I prove a negative."
Sigh....Gayle - once again - YOU said the CPC lie to gain support yet now where did you EVER back that statement up with examples. NOWHERE!!!
It is not "proving a negative". You made a statement - yet you - as is typical - refusing to back it up with examples - as you so often DEMAND of others.
But this is typical behavior of yours Gayle, so I am not surprised - and of course, you have your merry band of misfits to back you up too.
Nice.
Actually, AG, I did put up a link to video evidence of an outright lie by Flaherty, but it was too damning so Mr. "Free Speech" here deleted the comment.
So...
AG gets her comments past moderation and others don't.
How can you possibly say you want debate when you resort to this type of behaviour?
Nice--where's the other comments written earlier...
That's what I thought...
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