Sunday, January 11, 2009

We Will Never Forget!

So, I'm looking around for something to blog about, and stumble onto Pajama TV. I'm sure that everyone else knows about this already and I'm way behind, but I figure if I didn't know about it, maybe some of my readers don't either.

It appears you have to register, and I expect pay to watch some of the videos, but they do have some free videos that are very interesting.

Here is the list of videos available for free:

I watched them all, and thought they were all interesting. You have Joe the Plumber going to Israel, Michelle Malkin, and the one I liked the best was Joe Hicks interviews Nitsana Dirshan-Leitner, an attorney with the Israeli Law Center who is fighting terrorism in the courtrooms of Israel.

She is hitting the terrorists in their pocketbooks, a nice non-violent way to stop them. I suspect that the lefties don't like this approach, using the laws of the land against terrorists is not playing fair.

If you have the time, watch all of the videos, it's worth it.

I have seen the videos of anti-Israel protests, and been disgusted by the signs and people shouting about back into the ovens and the female protester telling an Israeli boy that he is dead. If I would have been there, I would have slapped her into reality. It's been disgusting to watch these people spout hate while our police look on. I understand the police are in a bad position because of our liberal society, and they are probably as disgusted as I am, but a time comes for the average working person to stand up for what is left of Canada.

It seems that many Canadians have forgotten something very important, and they should be ashamed of themselves for joining with terrorist groups like Hamas. Don't forget Liberals marching with Hezbollah and supporting the Tamil Tigers. In fact, we will never forget.

19 comments:

Southern Quebec said...

Tamil tigers...Lefties...Hamas...9/11!!!!...9/11!!!!

It's sad when you reach the point where you have to watch Joe teh Plumber for "All your news from the Middle East" and then go to Michelle Malkin.

Why do you have a problem with Canadians legally protesting the massacre of Palestinians
? If you are keeping score, I think it's about:
Dead
Gaza: 800
Israel: 14

I don't get the title of your post. What will you never forget?

Southern Quebec said...

UPDATE!!!!

Gaza: 905
Israel: 13 (3 civilians)

dougf said...

Southern Quebec(like it's a surprise to see this type of 'thought' from La Belle Province), seems to believe that ALL sides in a dispute are morally equal(yet another surprise), and that ONLY the death totals are important. It's UNFAIR to kill so many more of the opponents when you suffer so little in comparison.

What a clueless line of 'reasoning'. The object of CONFLICT is to beat the opposition into submission at the lowest possible cost to yourself. Nothing more;nothing less.
As Patton said---- "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

Would SQ find the whole process more appealing if Israel had lost 905 people as well?
Would that be 'fairer'? Nicer ,somehow ?

It's reasoning such as this that makes me just LOL at the antics of many of my fellows in Canada.
Cluelessness elevated to an art form.

Or----maybe it's ONLY because it's the JOOOS kicking some serious Islamist a** that any 'problem' arises. For example in Sri lanka the Government is really working overtime to ELIMINATE the Tamil Tigers, and no-one cares at all. And the moral difference between the Tigers and Hamas---- NONE AT ALL.

Nah couldn't be that. Perish the thought. Not from Quebec. With its glorious history of 'tolerance'. Foolish me.

Gayle said...

Hi Doug - are your comments wherein you attack each and ever citizen of Quebec simply because you do not like SQ's political views an example of your "tolerance"?

Southern Quebec said...

Dougie, can I call you Dougie? Look up the word disproportionate. Think about it for a bit. It may come to you.

Anonymous said...

dougf:

SQ asked 2 questions of Hunter.

1. Why do you have a problem with Canadians legally protesting the massacre of Palestinians?

2. I don't get the title of your post. What will you never forget?

I myself, have a question for YOU. What's with the Belle Province snark? You assert with mock surprise that SQ "seems to believe that ALL sides in a dispute are morally equal". Are you about to go further and say that two wrongs make a right? That would be an interesting line of reasoning. Considerably more interesting than quoting Patton, who also said, "Just drive down that road, until you get blown up."

Anonymous said...

The death tolls are not relevant to this and I don't know why you keep posting them, SQ. It is just possible the the Hamas death count is hyperbole. Hamas does have a habit of placing children in the line of fire. Hamas and like organizations have caused hundreds, of not thousands of deaths worldwide so I don't think the counts (which I don't believe) mean nothing.

This is war. Israel is stronger and better. So, Hamas has a choice - cease and desist or be prepared to lose many more to Israeli bombs. It's pretty simple - give it up and there will be no more bombing.

Gayle, Doug was in no way attacking each and every citizen of Quebec in his comment - will you ever learn to not make wild and fatuous statements? Quebec, if you have ever lived there, is a beautiful province but the fact is that English is, for all intents and purposes, illegal. Have you ever watched English being spray-painted on a billboard or sign outside a store? Gayle, do not impose your deliberate misconstruction of somebody else's comment. It would be nice if you would debate without such silliness.

Southern Quebec said...

EofE: I have lived in Quebec for 55 years. Did the illegal English thingy happen on a day that I wasn't in the province? Personally, moi, I live in an officially BILINGUAL town.

"The death tolls are not relevant to this and I don't know why you keep posting them, SQ. It is just possible the the Hamas death count is hyperbole."

I would like to see how fast the death toll would become relevant if the Israeli's death count goes up. And, I think that Hamas still has to bury their hyperbole. Sheesh...

Anonymous said...

SQ - you're being silly. Read, once again, what I wrote and don't make things up. I am bilingual but I still object to the sign laws. I had no problem living in Quebec but I can imagine how it would be for somebody who spoke no French - that could be an anglophone or an allophone. Half of my family roots are in Quebec.

Gayle said...

"Southern Quebec(like it's a surprise to see this type of 'thought' from La Belle Province)"

"Not from Quebec. With its glorious history of 'tolerance'. Foolish me."

No, not commenting on Quebec as a whole at all.

"will you ever learn to not make wild and fatuous statements?"

Snort. I suggest you look in the mirror. You are good for a laugh though - I'll give you that.

Alberta Girl said...

SQ - tell Hamas to quit launching rockets - then it will stop.

Got it!

Southern Quebec said...

AlbertaGril: It's called collective punishment. It's called illegal. I will try and explain it to you in terms that you will understand.

Hunter finds out that there is a lefty living next door. He always throws his latte cups in her yard. It bothers her (because we know what she thinks *snicker* of latte drinking librals)so she goes over and and beats the cabernet out of him. Not satisfied with just punishing him, she goes and does his kids also.(She has to go to the daycare to get them, but she thinks it's worth it). After the kids, just for good measure, she goes to the university (because they are elitists) and finishes off his nieces and nephews.

Do you understand now? If she had stopped at the latte drinking libral, she has a case. When you go after everyone that the libral knows, then you are wrong. And you are wrong.

Anonymous said...

Gayle, sweetheart. I am good for a lot of things and a laugh is but one of them. You, on the other hand, are good for...well, sweet f***-all.

No, he did not paint every Quebecer with the brush. You are, as usual, being your typical obnoxious trouble-making self. I feel sorry for you, Gayle. You are the most miserable person I've ever met on the blogosphere. Get help, sweetheart. Really, it isn't necessary to be 100% obnoxious all the time. In your latest idiotic argument, you changed your wording. In the first, you said "each and every citizen". In your silly response to me, you said "Quebec as a whole". Not the same thing Gayle. Sheesh, you can't even track your own drivel on the same post? You're losing it Sweetheart. Better start knocking back the old Geritol, babycakes.

Southern Quebec said...

I thought I was the most miserable person in the blogosphere?

Why is it when you can't add anything to a thread, you have to resort to ad hominen attacks? Not very classy E.

Alberta Girl said...

Somehow you are equating "latte cups" to rockets? Interesting.

That just about says it all, now doesn't it.

Anonymous said...

Um,EOE, what would comprise Quebec as a whole if not each and every person in Quebec?

Ooh lalala,lalala,lalala quel mots!

Anonymous said...

Hunter , I thought you were looking for BALANCE in your media reportage - that PJTV outfit seems pretty much like a one way street to me...just sayin';)

liberal supporter said...

Happy New Year, East of Eden!

Alberta Girl said...

Hunter - I am sorry for the length of this, but those like SQ who are so quick to blame Israel and take Hamas' side, maybe this puts it into perspective.

Anonymous Letter from Haifa, Israel
Posted 1/7/2009 11:00:00 AM
Dear family and friends,

I feel that events are such I should once again try and relay to you my thoughts, in order that you will be able to have a better understanding of the situation here. Again, as in many times before, I am dismayed at the lack of proportions in the in-depth information from Israel as opposed to that coming from other sources. Due to this unfortunate state of events, the international community is too frequently exposed to communications which are far from being "even-handed" or fair.

As in my former reports to you, I will try to be as fair as possible, in portraying the very sad situation here. This is the first report I will be sending you, and I would welcome any comments or questions, and would certainly be happy if you thought that this was something you would like to pass on to your friends.

First some questions:

* When was the last time you ran for your life to a shelter to avoid being bombed?

* When was the last time your children were terrorized to the point where they wet their beds even at ages of 6 and 7?

* When was the last time your child demanded that the light stay on all night, and even then told you of his nightmares the next morning - all this on a daily basis?

* When was the last time you realized that your child will need a psychologist to help overcome his/her fears of loud noises and sirens?

* When was the last time your house had a near miss of a rocket fired at you, or worse, had your house crumble under the impact of a mortar shell?

* When was the last time that you could not tend to your crops, because the last time you went out to your fields you were fired on by snipers?

* When was the last time you lost your job because you wanted to stay at home with your family when your town was under attack?

* When was the last time that your child saw your neighbor lying in a pool of blood?

* When was the last time you checked to see if your child's kindergarten had a bomb shelter, and if not you took the child to another kindergarten which had one?

* When was the last time you went with friends to have a drink at a pub and had a suicide bomber blow himself up in front of you?

* When was the last time you made sure your child had an armed escort when he/she went on a school outing?

* When was the last time your government decided to spend over 400 million dollars on bomb shelters for your town?

* When was the last time your neighboring country swore to wipe you off the face of the earth, and does not recognize your right to exist?

* When.....

Now some facts:

* For the last 8 years (yes... eight whole years, which are 96 straight months), the southern part of Israel (population around 250,000) has had over 22,000 rockets and mortar shells fired into its cities and villages. This is an average of approximately 2500 per year (since January 2008, we have counted over 3000). This means an average of approximately 8 (!!) rockets a day. Can you even imagine such a number?

* There is no child in Sderot under the age of 10, who knows any other existence than that of daily fear of a bomb landing on his home, school, or shopping mall. How would you feel if this happened in your town and to your children?

* Over three years ago, we unilaterally left the Gaza Strip, removed all vestiges of our army, uprooted all the civilian population which lived there, and abandoned all the homes, fields, and industrial complexes. All this without a reciprocal agreement on the side of the Palestinians to cease all hostilities. This action was intended to allow the Palestinians to fulfill their own dream of a sovereign state, without any interference on our part.

* Since June 2008, there has been a "cease-fire" agreement brokered by the Egyptians. The only trouble is that we have "ceased" while the Hammas has "fired" an average of 6 rockets a week (this is their understanding of an agreement). Besides trying to spot the launchers, and pinpoint attacking them if we were able to do so with 100% certainty, and only then, we did not reciprocate in any other way.

* During this period, we restrained ourselves not to hit back. The only recourse we had, when words, agreements, unilateral restraint and requests did not work, was to warn the Hammas government that if they did not stop the rocket attacks which totally disrupted any sort of "normal" existence for our citizens in the region, we would reduce the entry of supplies to the Gaza Strip. However, out of humane considerations, we continued to send urgent supplies, even under fire.

* To this day, we supply 70% of all the electricity in Gaza, and have never stopped this supply, except for one day when the electric plant in Ashdod, which supplies the "juice" to Gaza, was attacked by a suicide bomber. There is no "darkness" in Gaza, whatever is said or shown to the contrary.

* During the three days prior to our attack in Gaza over 200 rockets were fired at southern Israel, mainly at the city of Sderot, but also to many of the agricultural settlements around the Gaza strip - all inside Israel's international borders. This was the response of Hammas to our willingness to sit and discuss the continuation of the so-called "cease-fire" between us.

* Every such attack has had the entire civilian population of these towns and agricultural settlements running as fast as they can for a shelter - women, children, the elderly, sick people, in short, the whole civilian population.

* These rocket and mortar attacks are aimed specifically at civilian concentrations, to kill and injure as many innocent people as possible.

* Countless times over this period, and before, we have deliberated how to combat this situation, and each time we have opted for another concession towards peace, and have responded infrequently and even then at a very specific location from which the rockets were launched.

* The fact is that of the hundreds of Palestinians killed over the past 2-3 years, 95% have been terrorists either setting up their rocket launchers , or on their way to an attack on one of the settlements in the region.

* Sgt. Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who was abducted to Gaza by the Palestinian terrorists over 920 days ago, has not been allowed to send or receive letters, the Red Cross has not been allowed to visit him, and he has spent the whole time, close to three years, in a hole somewhere in the Gaza Strip. This is outrageously inhumane.

* During the past ten years, we have signed at least five agreements, in which we requested the same demands that were initiated by the "Quartet" (The USA, Russia, the U.N., and the European Community), namely:

- Recognition of the State of Israel (which all countries of the world have done)

- Cessation of all terrorist activities

In return we would be willing to negotiate for a fair settlement to all the problems between us even though the Palestinian leaders, first Arafat then Mahmoud Abbas (Abu-Mazen), signed the agreements, the attacks continued unabated.

Now to some comments:

* When we left Gaza, with all the small industrial works and the very modern and sophisticated greenhouses intact, at the request of the world community so that the Palestinians will have the ability to support themselves, they destroyed all of these down to rubble.

This has to mean that they had little intention of trying to help their population to self-reliance and the country to some income.

* How can the world sit back for so many years and look upon what was going on in our towns and villages around Gaza, and only become outraged when we finally say: "enough is enough" and hit back?

* What is this nonsense about "excessive force"? For years we have restrained ourselves, we have made every effort to find peaceful solutions, such as those we have in our peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan, while we are being shelled on a daily basis. How long can any country stand this? I bet not even Norway, the center for the Nobel Peace Prize and a country which has grave concerns about our intentions, would stand for this for even one month without retaliating.

* As to excessive force, should we send our kids out to throw stones at passing Arab vehicles, as Arab kids do on our roads? Should we sporadically shell cities in the Gaza Strip, just so that our response is "measured" against theirs? Should we recruit maniacs who are willing to commit ritual suicide in Arab restaurants? What are we, as a normal and democratic country, supposed to do? Continuously "understand" that the Palestinian demands should be met so that the world community can finally have some peace in the Middle East? These "salami" tactics will find us in the Mediterranean within five years!

* No. As in any country you are familiar with will do, we will use whatever means we have to achieve peace and quiet for our citizens. If we do not, then are failing our duty as a country to its citizens.

* In addition, since we do not intend to carry out such actions on a regular basis, then on the one time we do strike back, we will do so until the Hammas does not have the will to continue its policy. We have attacked only Hammas installations, and if there was a fair reporting of the events, you would notice that over 90% of all the Palestinian casualties were wearing uniforms. We have tried to be as accurate as possible in our attacks so that we spare the civilian population. We have NEVER targeted civilians, as they have ours.

* No one asked Joe Louis to fight all comers with one hand behind his back because he was stronger than his opponents, and no one has asked Michael Jordan to shoot only with his left hand, because he was so much better than all other basketball players.

* We are a country, and we have an army to protect its citizens. Our army has been carefully built so as to be able to answer any threat to our existence. We will use all measures necessary, once all other avenues have been blocked, to thwart this threat.

- The Hammas does not recognize us or our borders.

- The Hammas has sworn to continue to attack us until we drop.

- The Hammas gets its weaponry and orders from Iran and the extremist Islam leaders of the world, and will not listen to anyone or any other voice.

* We cannot allow this to happen, and cannot allow another Holocaust to our people.

* What would you and/or your government do if your border towns were shelled on a regular basis? Sit and wait for the world community to give your neighbor a slap on the hand? I would venture to say that in any Western country, you would hit back after the second or third rocket attack, whether there were casualties or not, irrespective of what the world community says or requests. We have been holding ourselves in restraint for years!

* Barak Obama, when he visited Sderot a year ago, said that if his house, and his girls, were attacked by rockets, he would not stand for it and retaliate.

* The Hammas, as part of the radical Islamic groups, is a serious threat not only to Israel, but perhaps even more so to the moderate Arab countries, as well as the Western world. It is inflaming the minds of the Islamic youths, teaching them to hate while not giving them any hope for a future.

* During these last few days, we have heard the Egyptian foreign minister and the editor of the official Saudi newspaper, say that the Hammas can only blame itself for what is happening to it now.

The other moderate Arab countries have the same sentiments. The Hammas, as the representative of the extremist Islamic groups, is a real and present danger to them and their countries.

* What are the ultimate goals of the Hammas? If it is to establish a sovereign state, then three years ago when we left Gaza they had the opportunity to show themselves and the world, that they can do so. We opened all the crossing points to Palestinian workers, assisted Palestinian officials in all the professional activities that a country needs (agriculture, medicine, sanitation, education, etc), and what we got back were suicide bombers and rocket attacks. In this situation, what does any "normal" country do? It closes the border crossings and discontinues its open policy. Would you shake your neighbor's hand, if on a daily basis his dog attacks your child despite your requests from him to rein in his dog?

* If the goal is not to establish a state, then it seems as if is their only aim is the annihilation of Israel. We will not stand for this.

In order not have this report become unwieldy and long, I will stop here for the moment, and I promise to continue.

With very best wishes,

Anonymous; Haifa, Israel