The Liberals slaughtering a good man's name...all for votes. Disgusting. Stuck on stupid Liberals, in Question Period today, couldn't resist bringing up the Chuck Cadman issue. Every question they asked was an attempt to smear an honourable MP, Chuck Cadman. SHAME! Liberal's care nothing about the truth, they like smear and scandal, because that's how they think and act. That's how they expect Conservatives to act.
HAVE YOU NO SHAME! Well, no they don't. They think this is a vote winning issue, that's all that counts. Only Pat Martin from the NDP brought this up, and he's part of the ethics committee, expect to see this as the next ethics committee witchhunt. Watching the faces of the NDP, they were embarrassed that the Liberals were dragging a fine MP's name through the mud. SHAME!
A maybe offer to a dying MP for insurance is a big scandal, but Belinda crossing the floor for a cabinet position.....cue the crickets.
Moore had it right, "Have you no shame Ralph, Have you no shame!"
The Liberals crossed a line today in their attempt to smear the Conservative government, and they knew it, but they continued on anyways. Will this win them votes? Anyone watching this episode of Question Period, has to feel like I do, disgust, a sinking feeling in your heart, that MP's both Liberal and NDP would stoop to such levels for votes. SHAME.
How does the average Canadian feel about this issue?
Vince M.
From the story it appears that during an appearance on CTV's COUNTDOWN in May 2005, Cadman told Mike Duffy that rumours he had been offered an unopposed nomination in his B.C. riding by Conservative officials, were true.
"That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,"
Canman said.
So if that was the only inducement he had, how come there is another more shocking one today, just as the book is about to hit the shelves?
raj
I have only one comment
I don't buy it
Kai Wolf
A few things to consider -
1) Who offers a million dollar life insurance policy to a dying man?
2) The timing of the release of this book
3) The person in the middle of this is running as a candidate for the Party being accused
But most of all, what Party stands to benifit the most from the outing of this information at such a crucial juncture in the life of this minority Parliament? Oh yeah. How convenient.
and what about Belinda?
Even if this is true, how is this any different than what the Liberals did with Belinda Stronach? She gave her vote to Martin for a cabinet seat (which meant more salary). The only difference between Cadman and Stronach is that she bit, he didn't (if it's true).
Macek
The whole story about late Cadman unbelievably and is totally disgusting .
It is clear, that it is made for political purpose. I do not care for what purpose
it is done, or which political party suppose to benefit or not to benefit from that.
Misusing the name of this great man - Cadman, for whom we have great respect
cab be done only by morally corrupted people. When our Canadian journalist
and politicians return back into civilized manners and human respects, at least to have
respect for dead people and not to use them for their own gain? Yes, it is
disgusting behavior, which became a daily menu for our politicians and some trashy
book authors. Cadman's Admirer
And, yes, I picked the comments I agreed with, it's my blog.
65 comments:
I can assure you that this is a big deal for the CPC. Someone will go to jail for this. Stephen Harper is finished.
HA!!! Oh that's too funny! Thanks for my laugh of the day!
There is help for delusional people at 560-Libs-Suck.
I think Canadians would like to know if the CPC offered Chuck Cadman a bribe to vote against Paul Martin's budget.
The smear, as I see it, is against Dona Cadman. She claims that her husband told her such an offer was made. What do you say to that? Is she lying? She confirmed the facts in the Globe and Mail this morning.
Perhaps you don't view bribery as a big deal. However, it is a criminal offense and is a direct violation of our constitution. It is tantamount to treason.
You speak of delusion. Refusing to consider, even for a moment, that this actually happened seems delusional to me.
Politics is a dirty game. What makes you so certain that the CPC is above it all? IS it because you want to believe it?
Sorry darling, the real monster here isn't Ralph Goodale, it's Stephen Harper.
I just heard Dona Cadman saying in an interview that this happened.When asked if she considered it to be a bribe, she said " YES."
This is such a strange story. It makes no sense at all on so many different levels.
And why did this story come out now just before the by-elections?
Today was an absolutely disgusting day in the HOC. The Liberals sank to a new low today.
"I can assure you that this is a big deal for the CPC. Someone will go to jail for this. Stephen Harper is finished"
Yikes!! over an unfounded comment from an author who is selling a book because he says the wife of this MP "told" him a bribe had been offered, yet she admits she was not there, and the assistant who was there cannot be found?
Yep - concrete proof - the CPC is done alright.
Geeessshhh.
".And why did this story come out now just before the by-elections"
Exactly - why wasn't this brought out in the dying days of the last election when it was obvious that the CPC were gaining on the Libs.
NOTHING about this story makes any sense. Even his wife, who by the way is running for the conservatives, seems to be somewhat non-committal.
But - when you have nothing else, bring out bribes to dead people, after all no one can vouch that it did or did not happen. Only in politics today could this happen.
I just listened to a taped telephone message on CTV newsnet of Dona Cadman standing by her story that her husband was bribed with a life insurance policy. Gloria Galloway followed and she is very happy. If the liberals don't defeat the budget now it will be unbelievable.
So a bribe in the form of an insurance policy was apparently offered to get Cadman to cast his vote in favour of the Conservatives and somehow any outrage over this cynical ploy that was leveraged off the man's imminent death redounds negatively to the Liberals because Belinda Stronach crossed the floor... (something that had long been suspected in any case for various reasons). Wow. Your moral relativism and shameless partisanship is truly astounding.
I agree this is a strange story. For one thing, no company would issue a million dollar policy when someone was this sick.
Do the MP's have insurance policies that he might have had if he had gone back into the caucus. Something isn't right.
So where is this sick Liberal mudsmearing going?
National tv?
Szabo wants to have another stab at the Conservatives.
And what must Dona say to the ethics commission in order to incriminate the CPC:
'my late husband was lying when he told Duffy (on national tv) that here was nothing else offered.
I was telling the truth to Chuck's autobiographer.'.
Guess who get's hurt...
Wow. Duffy just said, in a private conversation with him, Cadman told him that no way he was going to bring down the Martin government, because he didn't want to take the chance he'd lose his seat, because then he'd lose his life insurance.
Wilson, I heard that too. That is an incredible story and Duffy has been sitting on it all this time.
That story is bigger than the one today, because it puts a whole different skew on why Cadman voted the way he did.
Wow. Your moral relativism and shameless partisanship is truly astounding.
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Hello, I'm a CONSERVATIVE! If you don't like it too bad. I'm happy with my choice, as a "red tory" you obviously have no home.
This stinks to high heaven. What did the Liberals offer Cadman? If the ethics committee pursues this, we know they are continuing to try the smear campaign, now that the Mulroney thing didn't work out for them. It really is vial how low the Liberals will sink, they have no morals, NONE.
I'm mad at the mudslinging the Liberals do. It's disgusting, and if that's a partisan comment, so be it.
Today, the Liberals looked like jerks. PERIOD.
I agree Joanne, I never could understand why Cadman voted like he did, insurance might have been the reason.
Never underestimate the depths Doug Finley will sink to.
Harper needs to make an example of him and fire him.
Wilson, I just heard Mike Duffy say exactly that, he said Chuck told him, couldn't bring down the Martin government because he was concerned about his wife getting the life insurance.
It's getting more interesting! A guy votes to keep the Martin government alive because he is dying and scared that his wife will not get the insurance. Are the Liberals spining this into something it's not?
"wilson said...
Wow. Duffy just said, in a private conversation with him, Cadman told him that no way he was going to bring down the Martin government, because he didn't want to take the chance he'd lose his seat, because then he'd lose his life insurance."
Based on that. What most likely happened is that he told the Conservatives the same thing. They probably then replied with the offer to run unopposed in increase his chances at re-election and keep his insurance policy. In relating this to his wife something got lost and she must have taken it as them offering him the insurance instead of the opportunity to keep it.
But of course that's just my speculation.
'What did the Liberals offer Cadman?'
Nothing. If Cadman told Duffy he wouldn't risk his life insurance, he also told Martin and Dusanj (sp) at their meeting.
Reid said that might be just speculation, but I think he's right. It's the only way someone that sick could even think about insurance. It certainly could not be a new policy. Surely his wife is smarter than that.
Well, benefits such as life insurance follow public service employees when they switch jobs.
So, if Cadman had won, his policy remained.
Maybe he was mad at the thought of his constituents, knowing his condition, giving him the sympathy vote. And conerned at the same time that they wouldn't, and Dona would get nothing.
David Aiken said it 'either Dona was telling the truth, or Chuck was. Not both, one of them was lying.'
And down goes a hero. What a shame.
'It certainly could not be a new policy.'
No, it couldn't be Ruth, but are all MPs insured for the same $$. One would think so.
So in other words he voted with the Liberals to prevent an election to be eligible for benefits entitled to a sitting MP. Rightly so this would be a worry of his. Probably all the MP's knew about this and yet now the CBC and GLobe and Mail spin this . Like David Akins says on MDL, "it gives the Liberal a lift" WoW!!! How low would the Liberals be in the Polls without the free help from MSM.
I quess if the Liberals don't defeat the government over the budget then it is all just spin!!
I'm sure this also will help the Liberal candidate in Vancouver Quadra.
In relating this to his wife something got lost and she must have taken it as them offering him the insurance instead of the opportunity to keep it.
Reid, I'll bet that's exactly what happened. And since the main person involved has passed away, we'll likely never know for sure.
Well, if we can figure this out in an hour or so, why would the Globe print something without finding out what was going on. Hope somebody gets sued big time. Enough of this crap.
And because Chuck is dead, the Liberals and the media will run with this for the next two weeks, yet the crime bill passed today. Slander sells.
This story with Cadman doesn't pass the sniff test in the least. I challenge anyone with terminal cancer or better yet weighing over 250lbs to go out right now and get a million dollars worth of life insurance. You will be uncerimoniously laughed out of the office.
What a bunch of BS by the Libs. They are beneath contempt.
And isn't Gloria Galloway married to some Liberal hack?
If you didn't see question period today, you can not understand my anger, it was truly the most disgusting display ever.
Someone must have taped it. Canadian Blue Lemons has posted a comment about a Liberal MP shouting about hanging Mulroney, that started this session, and it went downhill from there.
And CBC reports:
'...Dan Wallace, Cadman's legislative assistant who is also quoted in the book,
said in a statement Thursday that he was not in the meeting with the two Conservative party representatives,
and therefore not privy to the details...'
The book says Wallace was in the room.
This is sooooo Stevie Cameron.
Dona may have thought Wallace was in the room, and wasn't.
Chuck said the date of the meeting with the Cons was 2 days later than the book says.
It's a biography, based on the recollection of a grieving widow.
Well Libs,
like the alcoholic that won't quit until they hit bottom, are you there yet?
The recorded interview between Harper and the book author is available on CTV now.
Hunter, the Vancouver Sun has the Hansard excerpts from today's QP.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=2a01a5bb-1b7a-4474-86b2-074ef191ef21
I felt sick watching QP today.
The only winners here are the author of that book on Cadman and the Liberals who are deflecting the focus from their pitiful performance as the official opposition.
Now here we go again with an Ethics Committee probe and a possible RCMP investigation. Pathetic.
Louise M.
How is Dona Cadman going to run for the Conservatives in that riding now.
Joanne, Wilson, and Louise, great catches, thank you!
This is blowing up in the Liberals faces. They could attack Mulroney because a lot of people from all parties didn't like him, but to sully Cadman's name, a MP everyone admitted was ethical with this garbage is going too far, even for Liberals.
I listened to the interview with Dona Cadman on MDL and she didn't sound like a political candidate. Usually you can't shut a candidate up but it was like pulling teeth trying to get anoything from her. I actually felt sorry for the interviewer. I'm wondering if she was the right choice in her riding.
I liked Chuck Cadman as an MP, his style and his attitude, but it sounds to me like he sold his principles for double indemnity.
Such a shame.
NeilD
So a bribe in the form of an insurance policy was apparently offered to get Cadman to cast his vote in favour of the Conservatives
The key word here is "apparently". It makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm no actuary, but a $1M policy on someone with terminal cancer would cost, approximately, $1M.
I say, call in the RCMP, and let them sort it out. They did such a great job with Shawinigate.
I listened to the interview with Dona Cadman on MDL and she didn't sound like a political candidate. Usually you can't shut a candidate up but it was like pulling teeth trying to get anything from her. I actually felt sorry for the interviewer. I'm wondering if she was the right choice in her riding.
I liked Chuck Cadman as an MP, his style and his attitude, but it sounds to me like he sold his principles for double indemnity.
Such a shame.
Further to the above, if he was concerned about losing the double indemnity clause in his parlimentary insurance policy then that says to me that he actually wanted to vote against the government thereby defeating it and throwing the country into another election.
Instead he voted with the government thereby ensuring that his wife would benefit financially.
His name is going to be dragged through the mud and that is such a shame.
NeilD
Neil, that's so true. Cadman's legacy will be sullied by all this. I don't understand his wife's motivation. It just doesn't make sense.
I'm no actuary, but a $1M policy on someone with terminal cancer would cost, approximately, $1M.
I just saw an interview with an insurance spokesman saying the chances of someone getting a life insurance policy in this situation would be close to nil.
Best line of the day from one of the most appalling QPs I have listened to:
"What I am not surprised about is that the member for Newmarket-Aurora is not asking these questions."
from Peter van Loan
Just for clarity, what is the appropriate response by the Libs when a Conservative candidate is accusing the Conservative party of committing a crime?
I assume it would be the same if a Liberal candidate were accusing the Liberal party of committing a crime?
Justin, I don't think Dona was accusing the Conservative party of anything. This is a two page item out of a 300 page book, so I think it's the Liberals/media looking for anything at all that might hurt the Conservatives. I agree with Mobius, bring in the RCMP, they should also be called in to investigate Belinda. Cadman took nothing, Belinda is not so innocent. She sold her vote for a Cabinet position.
Justin, I don't think Dona was accusing the Conservative party of anything.
Then you clearly haven't had a chance to read the news on the issue. Dona Cadman was quite clear that members of the Conservative party bribed her late husband.
Frankly, I really thought that these sorts of issues were beyond partisanship. You don't have to automatically let people off the hook for illegal and unethical behaviour just because you've picked them as your 'choice'.
from CTV audio
Harper:
"I don't know the details. I know there were discussions," Harper replied.
"The offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election," he told the author.
So the offer was 'Come on back Chuck, the party will cover your costs of an election', because Chuck was worried about money.
I'm assuming, that as long as Cadman remained an MP, be it Con, Lib or Indy, floor crosser, his life insurance was intact.
Any one know for sure?
Well Justin, seeing as I posted this on my blog, I had a chance to see what went on in the House today, that's why I posted this.
Dona, should come forward and explain what she meant, good or bad, she's up to bat.
Good point Wilson, Harper even stated that he thought it was a waste of time to talk to him, that Chuck had made up his mind, and that he understood his position.
There was speculation at the time about Chuck Cadman's reasons for not helping to bring down the Martin LIberals.
One of the things speculated was the issue of his health and finances.
Somewhere in the archives of the blogging Tories I am sure you will find this.
I recall that there was a lot of complaining about the ethics and motivation of anyone making such speculations about a member of parliament.
So that was then and this is now.
What I do not get is what is going on with Donna Cadman.
It would be nice to hear exactly what she said and what it was in response to.
I'm assuming, that as long as Cadman remained an MP, be it Con, Lib or Indy, floor crosser, his life insurance was intact.
Any one know for sure?
Wilson, you saw that Mike Duffy clip with him talking to the author. I made a few notes:
"Can I share something with you that I haven't shared publicly til now that that's that in private conversations Chuck Cadman told me that there was no way that he was going to vote against the Martin Government because he was concerned about the potential impact it might have on the insurance settlement for his wife Dona - in other words if he died while a sitting MP, Chuck told me that it would virtually double the payout to his widow and he didn't dare take the risk of forcing an election even if he were confident of being elected for fear of a legal hassle involving the insurance payouts.
So that's why all along, even that night when the vote was taken, I felt fairly sure I knew what was going to occur."
I wait for Dona to come out and clarify what she meant, if she can't, maybe she should go back to campaigning for Pretty Petty!
Perhaps she got it mixed up in her own mind. We're talking about her recollection of what Chuck said to her and they were both likely very upset and stressed out with his cancer and his fatigue with the trip to Ottawa.
...as a "red tory" you obviously have no home.
What that has to do with anything is beside the point, but as a matter of fact, I do. It's called the Liberal Party.
Well then "red tory", maybe you should stop using "tory" and start calling yourself "red grit". You will feel better once you have "come out", from hiding, then you can be "shamelessly partisan" too.
This put's Harper and the CPC in a real bind.
1) Either Dona Cadman is telling the truth, in which case Mr. Plett and Mr. Finley tried to bribe Mr. Cadman,... or,...
2) Dona Cadman and her daughter are lying about this, in which case Harper has a liar running for a CPC seat in BC.
Personally I think Harper will value and protect Plett and Finley over Mrs Cadman and he will be forced to throw Mrs. Cadman under the bus.
First I've heard of Plett being involved, do you mean Flannigan and Finley? Those were the names mentioned in Question Period.
I'm not sure Dona said anything wrong. She needs to clarify what she meant.
When Dona was asked by CTV if she was surprised by the (insurance)story (Chuck told her), she said 'no, not really, it's something any party would do.
Huh??
That sounds pretty benign, nothing close to a bribe.
Dona says cons wanted chuck to rejoin. He was 'pissed' about the $1m insurance policy. Why?
And it was 'kinda a bribe',
Well, kinda, like in it fell short of the double indemnity policy chuck had in hand?
Or kinda a bribe as in 'oh crap, how do I get out of this'.
Dion handed it over to the RCMP, so if they ask about Cadman again in QP, they shall be reminded that in handing it over, they have forfeited their privilege to answers.
I suspect we will hear more from Dona tomorrow. I will also link to the Parliamentary webcam tomorrow so everyone can see the Liberals destroying Cadman's good name.
The term was good enough for George Grant and I see no need to be ashamed of it. Besides, most so-called "conservatives" in this country are anything but. Most of you are just selfish, narrow-minded right-wing a-holes who mimic your Republican cousins south of the border, in my opinion. "Real" Tories hate the fact you've appropriated that term for yourselves.
Oh dear, "red tory" resorts to name calling, ahem "red tory" not very intellectual are you? It's okay, you can call yourself a "red grit", we understand. REAL, is that like REAL women? Or REAL boring? I am a REAL Conservative, I've never called myself a Tory, only conflicted people can be both red and tory.
everyone can see the Liberals destroying Cadman's good name.
How is cadmn's good name being destroed here. Mr. Cadman didn't do anything wrong, and from what I have heard, the Liberals do not have issue with anything Chuck Cadman did.
What it sounds like is you and the CPC are trying to hide behind Cadman's good name.
Oh, I guess you might want to do a historical blog reading in what some CPC bloggers were saying about Candman just after he died. It wasn't very nice to say the least.
After reading Hunter's remedial thoughts, it becomes clear that a basic standard must be established in order to protect the public from simple-minded twits and their childish political views.
Hunter, you may be entitled to your opinions but why not do us all a favour and keep them to yourself? You're just not that clever dear.
Well anon 7:42, don't read my blog than. Typical lefty, you have nothing to say, so you attack the messenger. Now, that's clever. HA.
'a basic standard must be established in order to protect the public from simple-minded twits and their childish political views.'
Typical liberal "thought police" comment!
Typical lefty, you have nothing to say, so you attack the messenger.
Sorry sunshine. Wrong again. I'm a conservative through and through. I just happen to find you too stupid for words.
Well, anon 9:59 you keep coming back for more now don't you? Who's the stupid one?
As I already stated, you don't have to visit my blog or comment. Or do you like stalking?
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