Monday, December 01, 2008

A New, New Coalition Is Born!

No, not the Liberal/NDP/Bloq/Green coalition, although I want to remind my readers that during the election they were already talking coalition. Watch this video from the election, they are caught red-handed plotting.



Now that was shocking enough, but this new, new coalition should chill the opposition to the bones, but being the parties of Toronto and Quebec, they have forgotten one little, tiny detail....western Canada. Now, I know we will have Ralph Goodale to hold up the west, but seriously are these guys crazy?

This new, new coalition is the Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia Coalition (maybe Manitoba, Yukon, NWT and parts of Ontario, okay, add in some of the Atlantic provinces too!) better known as the BYAOS, or Bet Your A$$ On Solidarity. Remember those provinces Dion? I would say turn off the oil taps, but the east doesn't even buy our oil, they buy Mideast blood oil. So how does this "coalition of the swilling" from the east think that they can represent the west? They don't care!

Let's see, Alberta 1 NDP MP, Sask 1 Liberal, BC 5 Liberals, 9 NDP, (9 NDP?? Okay, we only keep BC because we need access to foreign markets overseas, HA, just kidding).

You do the addition, (okay, I'll help, 16 members of the opposition) did anyone think we might be just a tad ticked off? Another important little item, BC, AB, and SK, are all HAVE provinces, in other words, we have the money. Now, this coalition does not necessarily want to "separate", we just want a little respect for all the money we send eastward. Studies have shown that westerners are the most loyal to the idea of Canada. We are the most patriotic not like the Quebec separatists.

We in the west have been ignored again, this time by 3 leaders from Quebec, and we are supposed to shut up and be quiet? Not going to happen! Let's get out there people, here's what Edmontonian's can do:

STOP THE COALITION RALLY At Linda Duncan’s Office
When: Thursday Dec 4th 1 pm
Where: 10806 119 St: NDP Riding Association Office Edmonton Strathcona
Bring: Yourself, friends, and relatives!
Some signs will be provided, but feel free to make and bring your own!


Then according to Rally for Canada
We get to hit Duncan's office on Saturday too!



Get those signs ready people, the silent majority is about to get very, very LOUD!

15 comments:

Southern Quebec said...

It's not called plotting. It's called a political strategy. Why is it OK if the Cons do it (a coalition) but when other parties try it, the Cons go crazy.

...and you are neither a majority nor silent.

Idealistic Pragmatist said...

Since when is 37% a majority? It seems the Tories need to retake high school math as well as high school social studies.

East of Eden said...

My greatest fear is that Elizabeth May and Garth Turner will be brought into the fold of this coalition. In my worst nightmare, I cannot imagine either or both of those two having any sort of input as to how to run the country.

My second-greatest fear is Dion. He is clearly not a leader but, unfortunately, he refused to stand down and appoint an interim leader when he failed so badly in the recent election.

Canada - the new banana republic. Brought to you by a carbon tax on every last thing and the demise of all industry and business thanks to Dion and Layton.

Alberta Girl said...

"It's not called plotting. It's called a political strategy. Why is it OK if the Cons do it (a coalition) but when other parties try it, the Cons go crazy."

Nice try at justifying the unjustifiable there Sask Boy. This bloodless coup has just handed the Tories a majority. Get used to it.

liberal supporter said...

This bloodless coup has just handed the Tories a majority. Get used to it.
Doubtful, but there is no problem from us to "get used to it". You just like to sneer things like that as if we're petulant. You will not hear talk of armed insurrection from us should that come to pass, while we are hearing lots of that kind of rabble rousing from your people. No, we'd dutifully stand in the unemployment line after you have finished gutting our industry, begging for food scraps from the CPC inner party members as they pass in their armoured SUVs.

We'll live within the system. Unlike yourselves, a bunch of "take up arms" crybabies. Do you really think you can browbeat the majority of Canadians into accepting your rule again?

I see little evidence your people will "get used to it", i.e. being ruled by representatives of the majority of Canadians. I am concerned about armed revolt. But unlike your stereotypes about us, appeasing the far right is not an option.

You've certainly invented a crisis, and now your true colours are showing.

Alberta Girl said...

"You will not hear talk of armed insurrection from us should that come to pass, while we are hearing lots of that kind of rabble rousing from your people"

Really Libby - something like Scott Ried's Kill Him comments.

I guess that is because "my people" actually support their political party; both in spirit and monetarily. Yours do not - hence we are in this mess because "your people" cannot be bothered to actually send money to their political party but expect me to send it to both mine and yours.

And libby - I did not create a crisis - it was all done in the backrooms of the NDP/Bloc/Lib headquarters who were plotting to do an undemocratic overthrow of a democratically elected government.

Where that comes from - it is called being a sore loser.

Get used to it Lib - the masses are rising up against this and the people will speak and there isn't a thing you can do about it.

Southern Quebec said...

Please Alberta Gril, what is undemocratic about a coalition?

liberal supporter said...

Really Libby - something like Scott Ried's Kill Him comments.
That was deep in the context of political advice and you know it, no different than you would hear from any hockey coach on a Saturday morning. Do you really want to compare that with what is going on right now in the comments at the "halls of macademia"?


I guess that is because "my people" actually support their political party; both in spirit and monetarily. Yours do not - hence we are in this mess because "your people" cannot be bothered to actually send money to their political party
Yes, we're not rich fat cats like yourselves. Plus there is the whole public disclosure problem. We have a secret ballot for a reason. Do you think it should not be secret?

But I cannot donate secretly. Why must my political donations be publicly available? I don't discuss my political views in real life because I like my brake lines unsevered. It is a very real concern and perhaps if you live on your farm surrounded by your arsenal you can be public in your political leanings. The rest of us prefer avoid being made targets, especially when we are currently governed by the most petty and vindictive government I have ever seen. I don't want my political contribution tax credit used to determine I should be audited each and every year.

The secret ballot allows my financial support to be secret too, without the problems that secret donations would cause (such as PMSH's leadership contributors were said to cause).

but expect me to send it to both mine and yours.
No, I pay at least $1.95 in taxes. Therefore that cash going to the party I voted for is covered completely by me, and not at all by you (if you voted).

You are the one expecting me to send money to your party. Note that the pay per vote received money was to be cut, but not a word about the tax credit for your political donations. That tax credit to you for supporting your party means the money has to be made up from everyone else, including me.

And libby - I did not create a crisis - it was all done in the backrooms of the NDP/Bloc/Lib headquarters who were plotting to do an undemocratic overthrow of a democratically elected government.
There you go again. The MP's were democratically elected, and still are. Determining the PM and cabinet is based on the decisions of those democratically elected MPs. There is no "overthrow". It is not "undemocratic".

And it is not a "putsch". Why does the right wing always scream that any reference to past dictatorships, such as calling something "The Big Lie" is forbidden by you and scolded as disrespectful to the victims of those regimes, yet your people freely talk of a "putsch" (for which I know of only one past dictatorship associated with that word), and "commie takeover".

Where that comes from - it is called being a sore loser.
Where I come from, it is called democracy.

Get used to it Lib - the masses are rising up against this and the people will speak and there isn't a thing you can do about it.
Yes, the good old "we win and you're impotent" routine. The fact is over 60% of the voters did speak and now are being heard. They'll be heard again, though I am concerned about the possibility of violence. You know, agents provocateurs, like the ones you provided at that SPP summit.

Despite that, I'll miss you and all the Sneering Tories once the Coalition of the Adults sends your ilk packing.

Alberta Girl said...

My goodness Lib Supporter - give me a break - you are afraid of severed brake lines?? Now that's funny.

Did you hear the Bloc cheering in Question Period today at Marios' statement that the Bloc's participation in the coalition will lead to separation. Did it make you wonder what the hell has just happened? Your "ilk" are responsible for the rise of separatism and will be directly responsibile for the break up of this country. Congratualations, Lib!!

Like I said yesterday - be very, very careful what you wish for.

Southern Quebec said...

AG: The coalition represents 60% of the population that voted. Last time I checked this was a majority. Doughboy only had 37%. If you believe that Canadians would hand the Conservatives a majority if we were to have an election, you are dreaming big time. They could kiss good bye to any Cons in Quebec.

liberal supporter said...

My goodness Lib Supporter - give me a break - you are afraid of severed brake lines?? Now that's funny.
Yes, really funny when it happens to you. I know someone who did experience this. The other low grade harassment on the phone and random "bad luck" continues for him though.

Did you hear the Bloc cheering in Question Period today at Marios' statement that the Bloc's participation in the coalition will lead to separation.
We'll see on Monday. I think Charest will win, and the BQ can't cause separation.

Did it make you wonder what the hell has just happened?
What has happened is the majority of MPs is changing the government.

Your "ilk" are responsible for the rise of separatism and will be directly responsibile for the break up of this country.
I thought that was Mulroney who put separatists in his Cabinet. This coalition will not do that.

Congratualations, Lib!!
Thank you! The separatists want to separate some day, but they want to separate from a strong Canada, not a bankrupt one. They're no different from people who buy houses to fix them up and then sell. They can't actually do the sale, but will gladly help make the country stronger in the mean time.

Harper and Flaherty play their games to destroy our industrial base (too many union members who don't vote CPC) and make us into nothing more than hewers of wood and haulers of water while making Canada a fat cat haven. Instead, the Coalition of the Adults wants to stop this dumbing down and destruction of our great nation that the CPC has been incrementally carrying out.


Like I said yesterday - be very, very careful what you wish for.
I am. Always. And I want Stephen Harper and his wrecking crew out of power. I'd rather complain about Dion overspending (which he won't with a good finance minister) than watch Harper make irrevocable changes to the fabric of Canada.

hunter said...

I smell Liberal fear, it's stinking up Parliament, and Canadians are not going to take it anymore. LS is a perfect example of coming here to try and justify leaving a smelly fish in someone's locker, and thinking it's funny.

This is NOT funny, it is a very important issue that could tear Canada apart, but the lefties come here and tell is it's legal so too bad.

Well divorce is legal too, that doesn't mean it's morally right. Nobody thinks about the impact on the children, they just hate each other so much they don't care what they are doing to the family.

Well, Canadians are my family, and no coalition that gives power to separatists will ever get my vote, ever. Quebec voters should think long and hard about that as well.

liberal supporter said...

I smell Liberal fear, it's stinking up Parliament, and Canadians are not going to take it anymore.
I smell hunter trash talking, with the "they're scared" card and claiming she and Canadians are together on this. Fervently hoping it will go away so the CPC can get back to pretending they have a majority while Harper resumes trying to stack the deck, since he obviously can't win on policy.

We really believed after the last election that Harper meant it when he called for a more cooperative environment. Then he tried to take away party funding without restoring the earlier sources that the parties gave up in return for the current system. A betrayal of trust.

LS is a perfect example of coming here to try and justify leaving a smelly fish in someone's locker, and thinking it's funny.
Your "Alberta Girl" was the one who found having brake lines severed to be funny. I didn't think it was very funny, but around here it was considered so.

This is NOT funny, it is a very important issue that could tear Canada apart, but the lefties come here and tell is it's legal so too bad.
If anything, it will bring Canada together more, since we will have a government where all parties are heard, instead of directives imposed by the autocratic Harper. I would not be surprised if at least one CPC MP is included in the coalition cabinet.

PM Dion will demonstrate how a PM is supposed to act, leading by letting his people do their jobs, not micromanaging like Harper and operating his own party like a virtual police state.

Question period will become a time of debate instead of the current circus of Harper browbeating everyone who doesn't agree with him.

Well, Canadians are my family, and no coalition that gives power to separatists will ever get my vote, ever. Quebec voters should think long and hard about that as well.
How does the coalition give any more power to the separatists than they already have? They have actually given up power, since they will now support the government for 18 months. They get no Cabinet posts. They could support Harper (as they have before) and I'm sure you'd be fine with it then.

Alberta Girl said...

" claiming she and Canadians are together on this."

Well LS - seems like Canadians are together on this - poll after poll after poll shows that overwhelmingly, Canadians do not want this coalition. That must freak you out!

"while Harper resumes trying to stack the deck, since he obviously can't win on policy."

WTF are you talking about?


"We really believed after the last election that Harper meant it when he called for a more cooperative environment."

I think Harper was being cooperative when he requested input from the other parties - somehow it was your ilk that stood their swearing their support with their fingers crossed behind their back.

" Then he tried to take away party funding without restoring the earlier sources that the parties gave up in return for the current system. A betrayal of trust."

How come if the Tories can raise funds from supporters - none of the other parties can do it. How come the public have to support parties that they may not believe in?

"Your "Alberta Girl" was the one who found having brake lines severed to be funny. I didn't think it was very funny, but around here it was considered so."

What is it with the severed brake lines LS?? What I found funny was that you would actually be afraid of it.


"If anything, it will bring Canada together more, since we will have a government where all parties are heard, instead of directives imposed by the autocratic Harper. "

I keep hearing this kind of talk, LS so I want you to give me examples of the autoratic directives that were ever imposed by Harper. Then we will talk about the autocratic directives imposed by Chretien. But it was just good government then, right.

"PM Dion will demonstrate how a PM is supposed to act, leading by letting his people do their jobs, not micromanaging like Harper and operating his own party like a virtual police state."

Once again - give me examples instead of just spouting the talking points.

Question period will become a time of debate instead of the current circus of Harper browbeating everyone who doesn't agree with him.

Examples ?


"How does the coalition give any more power to the separatists than they already have?"

Really, you have to ask that question. In order to make the coalition work, the Bloc has to support it, non. So in return for that "support"; they get what they want. If you can't see that, you have been living in la la land.

I await your examples.

liberal supporter said...

Well LS - seems like Canadians are together on this - poll after poll after poll shows that overwhelmingly, Canadians do not want this coalition. That must freak you out!
Online polls are being well freeped by your organization. The normal ones are about even.

"while Harper resumes trying to stack the deck, since he obviously can't win on policy."

WTF are you talking about?

If Harper could win on policy, he would not need to change the funding system in the way that benefits his party the most. The Liberals benefited most from corporate donations, but they banned them in favour of the current system. Harper can't win on policy so he attacks their source of funds.

I think Harper was being cooperative when he requested input from the other parties - somehow it was your ilk that stood their swearing their support with their fingers crossed behind their back.
Baloney. Your analogy is silly. Harper acted cooperative then tried to drive a stake in the other parties' finances.

How come if the Tories can raise funds from supporters - none of the other parties can do it.
Mainly because the CPC has had longer, back to the Reform days of fundraising. The Liberals had corporate donations. They decided it was better not to have corporate donations so the cash per vote system was brought in.

How come the public have to support parties that they may not believe in?
Good question. That certainly illustrates the hypocrisy of this provision. No dropping of the tax credit that everyone has to pay for depending on how much you raise. Only dropping the provision that gives cash for each vote received, which results in the money only going to the party you voted for.

What is it with the severed brake lines LS?? What I found funny was that you would actually be afraid of it.
During the last election, having a Liberal sign on your lawn in some parts of Toronto resulted in severed brake lines on cars, and other sorts of vandalism. I simply don't wish to be subjected to this kind of stormtrooper activity.

You can project that I am "afraid" but that is just typical of the kind of constant belittling from your "ilk". I am not afraid, but certainly am careful. Do you consider troops to be "afraid" when they decline to enter enemy areas unprepared?

I keep hearing this kind of talk, LS so I want you to give me examples of the autoratic directives that were ever imposed by Harper. Then we will talk about the autocratic directives imposed by Chretien. But it was just good government then, right.
Sorry, not going to bite again. I do your research then you just blow it off anyway. And besides it is the perception of autocracy that matters, and is very real. Chretien is not in power and is not a candidate so let's stay on "current events" channel. If you want to change to the "history channel" we can talk Mulroney, but of course that is when you will say "well he was from a different party...". So I won't bite. If you don't see autocracy in Harper's operation of his party, his caucus, the whole talking down thing, then enjoy your bliss.

Once again - give me examples instead of just spouting the talking points.
I believe "say they are just spouting talking points" was in the latest memo of talking points for you, no?

Question period will become a time of debate instead of the current circus of Harper browbeating everyone who doesn't agree with him.
I think any of Hunter's videos which gleefully show what you consider to be great smackdowns and retorts should provide an ample supply of examples. You could play carnival music if it helps you see it.

Really, you have to ask that question. In order to make the coalition work, the Bloc has to support it, non. So in return for that "support"; they get what they want. If you can't see that, you have been living in la la land.
Currently, the CPC could govern with the Bloc supporting it. They have done so in the past. I question how you see the Bloc as having more power. They don't. I submit that by agreeing to a longer term, instead of supporting a la carte, they are giving up that power for a time.

They do not "get what they want" for their support, since they cannot bring about separation on their own. All they get is Canada better maintained than it would be under the CPC (in their opinion). They would rather separate from a Canada with an industrial base than a Canada with resource businesses and nothing else. They'd like to be able to sell their James Bay power into a booming Ontario and Maritimes, rather than having to export it further to New York. That is if they can avoid that region separating from them, as Dion proved is possible despite their naysaying.

Just watch. Charest will win, showing that separatism is not what Quebeckers want, though they like having the Bloc as a regional party. Infuriating for the Bloc, since they are separatists but their support is people who want a regional party.