It was obviously a "slip" of the tongue, like Reid's "beer and popcorn" remarks. It was not meant for general consumption, just backroom strategists, but the cat is now out of the bag and will not be herded back in.
The Liberals thought they had something going with the Mulroney-Schreiber affair, that was proved to be NOTHING! They pushed it to the point of the ridiculous, but they thought they were scoring "political" points. WRONG!
Now, they have another cat by the tail, but have coached it in terms of a "hidden" agenda by the Conservatives, accusing them of being complaisant in torture of detainees in Afghanistan. I think we all knew where they were going with this when they chose to believe a low level diplomat over three very well respected Generals. You could smell the stink of burnt cat hair, and I think we all suspected the direction they were taking. We now have proof, blame the government and more despicable, blame our troops, for something they can not prove. It's a smear job of the worse kind.
Here are some interesting reads:
Dr. Roy
Alberta Ardvark
BC Blue
We knew it was just a matter of time before some Liberal blamed our troops. Funny, that's not how the lefties seem to see it. They are already in denial mode, like troll Liberal Supporter:
All he# is breaking out at Aardvark, Dr Roy, BC Blue and NBTorygal fb, re John McCallum accusing our government and our troops of war crimes on the CBC this afternoon in an interview with Suhanna.
The good old "tell part of the story without context" routine, eh?
Of course if you read the article, it is pretty clear it is the highest level of the government that is complicit in war crimes.
Still, it makes your video about calendars pretty silly. It's not about the length of the prorogue. "It's the coverup, stupid".
Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:27:00 PM
So, LS is accusing the Liberal ex-Minister's of defense of being complicit in war crimes, because it was the Liberals who were in government at the time, and the Conservatives were the ones who cleaned up a bad prisoner transfer agreement. Don't expect the Liberals to admit that little fact though. Funny, I always thought LS supported our troops, I actually got the sense that someone he loved might be in the military, but I guess I was wrong, because no-one who has anyone who is in the military would stand for the way Liberals are smearing our troops, NO ONE!
The dice have been rolled, there is no going back now for the Liberals, they have let the cat out of the bag. I predict that this will not go well for them.
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So, LS is accusing the Liberal ex-Minister's of defense of being complicit in war crimes,
No, I am not. You are therefore a liar.
because it was the Liberals who were in government at the time, and the Conservatives were the ones who cleaned up a bad prisoner transfer agreement.
The Liberals were not in power when the government received the numerous reports about torture going on, despite the transfer agreement. The Liberals were not in power when the government ignored the reports. The Liberals were not in power when the government ordered that the reports stop being made. The Liberals were not in power when the government refused to release the promised uncensored documents that would clear the air.
Don't expect the Liberals to admit that little fact though.
Get off your high horse. The Liberals signed the original agreement in good faith. Despite the reports of torture being common, they were given assurances by the elected Afghan government. They were mistaken to accept those assurances at face value.
However, the questions remain. What did Harper and MacKay know, when did they know it, and what did they do about it? The documents continue to be withheld. The proroguement is intended to stop the hearings for good. It is a cover up of the highest order, and it is the tipping point for Canadians.
Funny, I always thought LS supported our troops, I actually got the sense that someone he loved might be in the military, but I guess I was wrong, because no-one who has anyone who is in the military would stand for the way Liberals are smearing our troops, NO ONE!
Spare me your "no true Scotsman" canards. The troops followed orders which, from their point of view, were legal. Nuremburg only comes into play when you are ordered to commit obvious crimes, like murder unarmed civilians or operate gas chambers. If you are given an order to transfer prisoners, even if there are rumours they will be tortured, you follow the order or you face a court martial. Proving that torture went on is unlikely to exonerate you though it may mitigate your sentence in the court martial. That is because the order itself in this case is not an illegal order.
The ex-minister blamed the government. It is the CPC government who received the reports from its own diplomats, it is the CPC government that ignored the reports, it is the government that gave orders to stop making these reports that may be complicit in war crimes.
The dice have been rolled, there is no going back now for the Liberals, they have let the cat out of the bag. I predict that this will not go well for them.
You say that kind of triumphal malarkey all the time. I think the prorogation, and waving around calendars to claim it's no big deal is your peoples' attempt to roll the dice. When the real reason for proroguing is to stop the hearings and continue the coverup of possible complicity in war crimes by the highest levels of our government. That cat is still in the bag.
If you were really as outraged as you pretend to be, you would want Harper to cancel the prorogue, recall Parliament and continue the hearings with the promised uncensored documents. But I think it is just the BT spin machine running to change the channel from the question: What did Harper and MacKay know, when did they know it, and what did they do about is?
I predict that the tipping point has been reached and the Harper regime will soon be out of office.
Let's face it, what happened in 2006 under the Liberal transfer agreement will be no different March 3rd than Feb 3rd. The Liberals are pushing the issue right now because they believe that they have momentum. Screw what is best for the country, they need to do what is best for themselves.
Honestly, why can't we shut up about war crime allegations from years ago for a month? The Liberals are worried because they believe that they will lose whatever momentum they believe that they have.
LS thinks that Canadian soldiers comitted war crimes. Fair enough, the sissy is entitled to an opinion.
The only thing anyone has been able to garner vis a vis exactly what kind of torture has taken place involves throwing shoes. Hey, just like that middle east dude did to Bush during the press conference! While the Liberals were in power, the door was slammed shut on the Somolia inquiry. Apparently a soldier had shot a POW in the back.
Now come on you little sissy, if throwing shoes is torture, what is shooting a POW in the back?
We paid handsomely to Maher Arar for alleged torture and he wouldn't even allow a doctor to examine him to confirm these claims, but we paid out anyway. As soom as the word torture is uttered, the left in this country goes bananas.
The opposition (and the sissies) want to embarras the government because of inuendo, conjecture and anecdotal evidence brought forward by some low level diplomat and to lynch the army generals who were the actual boots on the ground at the time of the alleged 'atrocities'. (Boo hoo, little Ahmed got hit with a shoe, oh the humanity!)
The Liberals and the MSM cannot stand the fact that the CP is in government. They forget that they are a minority and can bring them down at any time. If the CP is so bad, why have the liberals voted along with the Conservatives over 70 times?
Torture is just a diversion. Right out of the Saul Alinsky play book. Start a lie. Repeat this lie over and over. A comlicant MSM and a lazy electorate devoid of any knowledge of current events is the onloy thing keeping the opposition parties going.
Oh and by the way sissy, the liberals did not sign the original agreement in good faith. Chretien could not stand the fact that the world was looking to see what Canada would do in the wake of 9/11. He sent tropps to Afghanistan instead of Iraq. He and Paul Martin only had troops overseas because of the optics, not because of any moral obligations. Abu Grihab and Gitmo was the reason they turned over prisoners to the Afghanis. They didn't want to be associated with the Bush government over such prison horror as panties on the heads of prisoners and the fact that all of the terrorists were getting fat at the Gitmo all inclusive beach resort. Once again, optics. Once again, lies.
Now that Barack 'bigger than Jesus' Obama is in power, I wonder if the left would be OK with handing prisoners over to the Americans again.....
Parliament has been shut down by the liberals over Somolia, Adscam, because of a pissing contest between Chretien and Martin and also to hamstring a newly elected Stockwell Day and the Liberals are claiming the high ground over Harpers recent decision. Good grief.
Also, look for the Liberals and Dippers to embarras Canada to the world during the Olympics when all eyes are on us.
This is just another example of how the Liberals, the Toronto media and the entire parade of left wing supremacists despise all Canadians except those in their own caste.
All these examples from so many of these top ranking Gliberal buffoons will make for some great television advertisements when the puck gets dropped on the upcoming election.
Of course, there’ll only be an election is these very same supremacists are not successful in seizing control of the Canadian government via the next coup attempt.
LS said..."The Liberals were not in power when the government received the numerous reports about torture going on, despite the transfer agreement."
"Get off your high horse. The Liberals signed the original agreement in good faith. Despite the reports of torture being common"
Can you not even hold your own thread from one paragraph to the next? So, which is it?
When McCallum mentioned the government, was he referring to the liberal govt he was defense minister in.
Great post as usual Hunter.
Liberally stuffed with suppositories aka liberal supporter is getting himself buried further down in the gutter with every comment he makes smearing the Conservative party.
Let him.
Because, what he has to say is what many on the Left are saying and we get to see the maggots festering in their brains with the spewing forth from this man's mouth.
This is a good post from SDA
What’s the difference between John McCallum and Foster Brooks?
When Foster Brooks did his drunken man routine in front of a television camera he was SOBER.
LS thinks that Canadian soldiers comitted war crimes. Fair enough, the sissy is entitled to an opinion.
You sir, are either a liar, or have reading comprehension problems.
The only thing anyone has been able to garner vis a vis exactly what kind of torture has taken place involves throwing shoes.
You sir, are either a liar or illiterate. The "shoes" case comes from a report in which a handcuffed prisoner was beaten with shoes or BOOTS by six men. Just drop me a message on my blog comment area if you would like to experience this inconsequential form of torture for yourself. It can be easily arranged.
Hey, just like that middle east dude did to Bush during the press conference!
Nice try, buffoon.
While the Liberals were in power, the door was slammed shut on the Somolia inquiry. Apparently a soldier had shot a POW in the back.
The government of the day did not receive reports of this happening repeatedly, nor did it demand that the reports stop. And there were no documents demanded that were refused.
I think that inquiry should have continued. It could have isolated whatever problem existed so it could be changed. Instead of disbanding the airborne regiment over that which was a mistake. However, it was not a case of the highest levels of government being possibly complicit in war crimes.
Now come on you little sissy, if throwing shoes is torture, what is shooting a POW in the back?
I am not a sissy. However you are either a liar or unable to read with comprehension.
We paid handsomely to Maher Arar for alleged torture and he wouldn't even allow a doctor to examine him to confirm these claims, but we paid out anyway. As soom as the word torture is uttered, the left in this country goes bananas.
I am reading persistent comments about this case. However, since Stephen Harper issued an apology on January 26, 2007. Are you therefore claiming Harper lied?
The opposition (and the sissies) want to embarras the government because of inuendo, conjecture and anecdotal evidence brought forward by some low level diplomat and to lynch the army generals who were the actual boots on the ground at the time of the alleged 'atrocities'. (Boo hoo, little Ahmed got hit with a shoe, oh the humanity!)
Have you signed up for your stenography refresher course? Because here you say someone got hit with a shoe, whereas you compared it to throwing a shoe at Bush which missed. Make up your mind please. And nobody has expanded this to an "atrocity", except you. What else do you know about this?
The opposition is not trying to embarrass the government. The government embarrasses all of Canada and especially the troops they claim to support, by refusing to release uncensored documents that could clear up this situation. Further, they are proroguing Parliament so they can shutdown the hearings. What does the government have to hide?
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The Liberals and the MSM cannot stand the fact that the CP is in government. They forget that they are a minority and can bring them down at any time. If the CP is so bad, why have the liberals voted along with the Conservatives over 70 times?
That's better! Verbatim stenography of today's talking points.
Torture is just a diversion. Right out of the Saul Alinsky play book. Start a lie. Repeat this lie over and over.
You are doing the lying and repeating. I don't think Canadians are buying it this time.
A comlicant MSM and a lazy electorate devoid of any knowledge of current events is the onloy thing keeping the opposition parties going.
You really do hate democracy and transparency don't you? What does the government have to hide?
Oh and by the way sissy, the liberals did not sign the original agreement in good faith. Chretien could not stand the fact that the world was looking to see what Canada would do in the wake of 9/11.
Baloney. But keep the lies up, it proves your dishonesty.
He sent tropps to Afghanistan instead of Iraq.
I think we should have gone to Iraq to support the US, our best ally, despite its leadership at the time. However, Chretien did not agree with action that was not a UN peacekeeping mission. Afghanistan was, Iraq was not.
He and Paul Martin only had troops overseas because of the optics, not because of any moral obligations.
Baloney.
Abu Grihab and Gitmo was the reason they turned over prisoners to the Afghanis. They didn't want to be associated with the Bush government over such prison horror as panties on the heads of prisoners and the fact that all of the terrorists were getting fat at the Gitmo all inclusive beach resort. Once again, optics. Once again, lies.
Your alternate reality would be amusing if it was not used to support a government avoiding questions about its complicity in torture.
Now that Barack 'bigger than Jesus' Obama is in power, I wonder if the left would be OK with handing prisoners over to the Americans again.....
Who knows. The question remains, what did MacKay and Harper know, when did they know it, and what did they do about it.
Parliament has been shut down by the liberals over Somolia, Adscam, because of a pissing contest between Chretien and Martin and also to hamstring a newly elected Stockwell Day and the Liberals are claiming the high ground over Harpers recent decision. Good grief.
None of those situations involved avoiding hearings and releasing documents. None of those situations were about possible complicity in war crimes by the highest levels of our government.
This is just another example of how the Liberals, the Toronto media and the entire parade of left wing supremacists despise all Canadians except those in their own caste.
The race card. That's good for 20 points on the sheer desperation scale.
All these examples from so many of these top ranking Gliberal buffoons will make for some great television advertisements when the puck gets dropped on the upcoming election.
I can't wait. Bring them on. They should get another 30 points on the sheer desperation scale.
Of course, there’ll only be an election is these very same supremacists are not successful in seizing control of the Canadian government via the next coup attempt.
Race card again, but only 5 points since you already played it. But you get 25 points for "coup attempt". Sheesh!
Of course there are different kinds of coup. There is the process by which Margaret Thatcher was removed from the leadership of her party, often called a coup. On the other hand there is her son, who supplied funds and equipment to mercenaries attempting an armed insurrection. One was legal, the other was not. The coalition was legal.
Women got the vote in Canada under a coalition government. Obviously, you want that overturned since it was a "coup" in power at the time.
Can you not even hold your own thread from one paragraph to the next? So, which is it?
Can you not read? There were reports about the state of Afghan prisons before any transfer agreement was made. Canada expected that conditions would be different under an agreement for prisoners we transferred. Sadly, the situation was no different for our detainees transferred as the reports in 2006 demonstrated. But of course you claim those reports were lies, don't you?
MariaS, I use my trolls as examples of lefty thinking, they never fail to amuse.
In fairness, I quoted LS in my post, so I have given him the opportunity to respond in comments.
With a new session starting March 3, will a new sitting calendar have to be presented. If so, how about canceling the Easter Break, and cut 6 wks off the summer break, so those liberal mps can stay in Ottawa and work and ignore their constituents. Gee, now time at the cottage for the media, or mps. But, if iffy decides to defeat (try, he needs jack & gilles) and we go to an election, a lot of those liberal mps will have a very long holiday.
The desparate little troll just theatened me with violence. How predictable.
Game. Set. Match.
My work is done. Goodnight, sissy.
Your blog, by the way, is laughable. You have an unhealthy obsession with Hunter. You seriously need to get some help.
The desparate little troll just theatened me with violence. How predictable.
Get over yourself, liar. You claimed the treatment of prisoners was no big deal. Now you say it is violence when the same treatment is offered to you. Thanks for proving my point, that it in fact is a big deal. You know as well as I do that illustration was no threat you libeler. But thanks again for proving my point.
Game. Set. Match.
Thank you for conceding so graciously.
My work is done. Goodnight, sissy.
You are welcome, liar. You seem to have recovered from allegedly being "threatened" very quickly, liar.
Your blog, by the way, is laughable. You have an unhealthy obsession with Hunter. You seriously need to get some help.
You get 15 points on the sheer desperation scale for the mental health "you need help" card.
During August of this year, hunter decided not to allow any dissent on her blog. I simply created a place to post the comments that never made it through. After a month or so, she got tired of listening to the dwindling number of cheerleading comments including your boring nonsense, and decided having some contrary opinions is not such a bad thing. Unlike you, she likes to at least give a hearing to those she disagrees with.
I could have placed my comments to "neoconservative" in the same space too, but my comments there do get published, it's just neo deletes them on sight, then lies about what was said. It must be a laugh for anyone who sees what was said and then his lies about it. Like yourself, he cannot stand anyone disagreeing with him, especially someone who daily flies rings around his silly malarkey. Just like I've been flying rings around you. You figure calling people sissies makes you a big wheel? No, it just shows your lack of imagination and inability to come up with something original.
Thanks again for admitting you were wrong in claiming the detainee beatings were the same as a journalist tossing a shoe at Bush and missing.
Nice try wus.
The detainees were handed over to a soveriegn country who have, at their request, Canadian and other NATO troops in their country. Troops are handing detainees over to said soveriegn government because Paul Martin and Jean Chretien wanted it that way. They are thier to rebuild, train, police, keep peace and yes, kill.
What limp wristed sissies like LS fail to realize is a soldier's job is to kill or capture the enemy, not ensure that enemy prisoners are given Happy Meals and tucked into bed with a goodnight kiss by the soldiers and leaders of the country said terrorists are trying to kill.
I am quite comfortable being of the opinion that a shoe beating is not torture. LS sides with the Taliban. Thumbsuckers like LS doesn't like the big bad and mean Canadian soldiers. They want our Forces handing out chocolate to doe eyed young children.
Sorry wus, but your limp-dicked attempt at playing the moral equivelencies cop out that mere knowledge of an alleged shoe beating is a war crime is laughable. And don't give me any Geneva Convention sob stories either. Those rules don't apply in this war.
And as far as your little threat goes twinky, keep them coming. Maybe you'll stamp your feet and hold your breath next time.
My apologies to our gracious hostess for any perceived colourful language.
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