Too funny, Nic and Peter are busy trying to be non-partisan, then Granny calls, and tells them what's what!
Nic wants us to think talk at the water cooler is going to sink the Conservatives over cold cuts, and totally avoids any of the issues that Grandma brings up. Peter wants everyone to know that they handled the Garth situation, and Granny skewers both of them.
Go Granny!
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So let me get this straight.
You are comparing inappropriate comments made during QP about a former PM to jokes about the fact 12 people died.
This is not about Easter. This has never been about Easter. Easter says this is not about Easter.
This is about a Cabinet Minister making jokes about the deaths of Canadians.
Both were stupid Gayle but one was made in what should have been a private conversation and the other was made in public on national television.
Why the distorted media coverage?
"Why the distorted media coverage?"
Yes, Gayle, Why???
"You are comparing inappropriate comments made during QP about a former PM to jokes about the fact 12 people died."
Gayle - please tell me who made a joke about 12 people dying?
If you are somehow extrapolating Ritz's joke about "cold cuts" to somehow being a joke about 12 people dying; you really are trying to make this into something bigger than it actually was.
I eagerly await your explanation.
modus operandi: someone always changes the channel to some perceived misdoing that generally no one agrees with outside of the liberal party and their supporters
Just so you all know, Gayle is a financial supporter of Garth Turner. She announced her contribution on one of his earlier blogs. She haunts our sites to stir up trouble.
"Gayle - please tell me who made a joke about 12 people dying?"
What else do you think "death by cold cuts" means? People died, because they ate cold cuts. Do I really need to draw you a picture?
It has nothing to do with whether it was a "private conversation" (though I suggest a 30 person conference call, with bureaucrats, is hardly a private conversation since he was in that conversation as a offical representative of the government), it has to do with the fact he made jokes, about people dying.
So Gayle, I missed you chastising the Liberals when the joke was made about killing Stephen and Laureen Harper.
I have seen you trolling around a lot of Tory blogs doing a lot of eye poking but you seem to lack the vocabulary to say "I see your point, but..." That is the ways adults converse/debate. You should just go back under your bridge (garth.ca)to do your trolling and let the adults do the debating.
Hey Stupit...
Perhaps you missed my point.
While joking about the theoretical death of someone is always in poor taste, joking about the actual deaths of innocent people is absolutely disgusting.
I hope that helps you understand the difference.
Cheers
It's sad to see that the Liberals have been reduced to people on the fringe like Gayle.
I notice that Gayle doesn't think a Liberal MP publically calling for a former PM to be hung, is in the least disturbing.
I notice that you have missed the point - as in, apparently you do not think a Cabinet Minister making jokes about people dying is not disturbing.
"Perhaps you missed my point.While joking about the theoretical death of someone is always in poor taste, joking about the actual deaths of innocent people is absolutely disgusting.I hope that helps you understand the difference."
Yes one was a joke,about fallout on a private conference call that was never intended for anyone else but those on that call.
While the other was not a joke. He called for placing a rope around a persons neck to lynch or in other words to KILL him. Calling for an action like this is actually not a joke but a real crime listed in the Criminal Code of Canada. Jokes as of yet are not listed in the criminal code but Liberal supported human rights commissions are trying.
And now Dion is running an attack ad on this, even after he swore up and down that the Liberals would not go negative.
Even the normally Liberal friendly media will not be able to cover this up.
Al
My god.
Don't you think it is time to get off this silly "private call" nonsense?
Even if it were a private call, how does that make it OK to joke about people dying?
And AL, if that were indeed a "threat", you can bet the police would have laid charges.
I understand that this whole incident makes your guy look bad, but all this rationalization and victimization that goes on here makes you look worse.
Gayle, the private aspect is very important as the comments were NEVER intended for anyone else but those in on the call. I think you might be the only person in the world who has never said anything privately to a co-worker that if it was made public would get you in big trouble. We all have done it.
You should try telling a 'bomb' joke loudly next time you are at the airport and watch the hilarity of what happens next.
ardvark - the point is that, during a discussion about how to deal with this crisis, Ritz was a) trivializing people's pain by making jokes, and b) trivializing the crisis by discussing how it affects the party.
Second, a conversation with 30 people is NOT private, not that it matters. What you say reflects on what kind of person you are, whether you say it in public or in private.
Spinning hard there Gayle.
the point is that, during a discussion about how to deal with this crisis, Ritz was a) trivializing people's pain by making jokes, and b) trivializing the crisis by discussing how it affects the party.
Second, a conversation with 30 people is NOT private, not that it matters. What you say reflects on what kind of person you are, whether you say it in public or in private.
So, according to your logic, the new Liberal ad using the recent deaths of Canadians, reflects on what kind of party they are. Your party is keeping these families pain in the headlines for VOTES! How sick is that?
Hello gayle....where are you? Hiding under the bed again?
Liberals all shout and snout. Oink.
Hunter - I have been posting here since Thursday. Your attempt to argue I am running away would have more meaning if you gave me more than what, 5 hours to respond? How pathetic can you be??? It took you three days to respond to me, in case you did not notice.
The reason I posted was because you were desperately trying to link this to the incident where some MP made inappropriate comments during QP. Your pathetic attempt to justify Ritz's appalling comments is disgusting.
I am not a fan of the LPC's latest attack ad - but that has nothing to do with the fact that Ritz thought that people dying was funny.
there. this whole subject is a joke. write me up please... o wait a minute i did nothing wrong? spin me up!
Ok Gayle, what is the maximum number of people that can be privy to a conversation before that conversation must be considered public?
You must have some number in your head because you declared that "a conversation with 30 people is NOT private"
ardvark - I should think the point is obvious.
A non-work related water cooler conversation between yourself and a colleague is private.
A work related conference call between yourself and your colleagues, is NOT private.
None of which matters. If you do not want people to discuss your inappropriate comments, you really should not be making inappropriate comments, private conversation or not.
Gayle says:
None of which matters. If you do not want people to discuss your inappropriate comments, you really should not be making inappropriate comments, private conversation or not.
So, Liberal MP Murphy should not have said what he did then, right? And this is different from Conservative MP Ritz how??? Murphy made his comments during question period and Ritz in a private conversation. Who of the 30 people is the Liberal stooge? Are they sweating yet? They should be.
No Minister from now on will trust the bureaucrats. They should be ashamed of themselves for their behaviour. The union should be looking into this, but they won't. They will be too busy covering up.
You did not answer the question Gayle.(not that I expected you would) How many people need to be involved before a conversation is deemed public?
"A work related conference call between yourself and your colleagues, is NOT private"
Really? Do you even believe half the stuff you spin on the blogs?
Knowing that because a conversation is 'work related' and therefore ANYONE may be allowed to repeat what was said to the public must create havoc on the military, law enforcement, with doctors on medical rounds,in the tech industry, and in EVERY other business out there.
Get real Gayle, a conversation that is 'work related' makes it even more private than other conversations.
I suspect this now to be ignored as well.
"So, Liberal MP Murphy should not have said what he did then, right? And this is different from Conservative MP Ritz how???"
"This is not about Easter. This has never been about Easter. Easter says this is not about Easter.
This is about a Cabinet Minister making jokes about the deaths of Canadians."
"How many people need to be involved before a conversation is deemed public?"
More than two and less than thirty.
"Knowing that because a conversation is "work related" and therefore ANYONE may be allowed to repeat what was said to the public must create havoc on the military, law enforcement, with doctors on medical rounds,in the tech industry, and in EVERY other business out there."
Law enforcement discussing law enforcement techniques is obviously something that should not be repeated in public.
The chief of police making disparaging comments about racial minorities?...not so much.
The public have a right to know when public officials are behaving in a manner that demeans their office and position.
Ritz is a cabinet minister, and a representative of the government of Canada. When he made those comments he was not some private citizen discussing the game over a few beers.
I must say, your need to dwell on this particular aspect of this case is quite telling. Clearly you know his comments were disgusting, which, as I said before, is the only thing that matters. If he made them to his best friend, over a few beers, and that friend decided to tell people, the comments would be just as disgusting.
Gayle, you are spinning so hard your head might fall off. Let's start you off slowly with a direct question:
Is publically calling for the hanging of a former PM okay?
Before I answer that, perhaps you can tell me what that has to do with the fact Ritz was caught out laughing and making fun of people dying? You know, actually dying, not some comment about "public hanging" that no one in their right mind would take seriously.
And, I think I answered your question with my first post:
"You are comparing inappropriate comments made during QP about a former PM to jokes about the fact 12 people died."
You do understand the term "inappropriate", right?
Just wondering here. We have all been trolled by Gayle here and other blogs. Has ANYONE EVER gotten a direct answer from her, on anything? I read and read but never have seen an answer from here without some sort of spin. Its like she WANTS to argue intelligently but doesn't really know how. So, lets not make her try.
"Arguing with a left winger is like banging your head against the wall. It only feels good when you stop."
Q: "Is publically calling for the hanging of a former PM okay?"
A: I should think the fact I referred to the comments as "inappropriate" should lead to the conclusion that I do not think they are "okay". Sorry if you had trouble piecing that together stupit.
Just because you do not like the answer, does not mean it is not an answer.
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