Tuesday, November 03, 2009

Harper Wins A Majority!

This from my Liberal Mom. My Dad is still pulling for the Liberals, but his support is weak.

What does my Mom like about the Conservative government? The get tough on crime position and their proposed tough stance on immigration. My parents even recognized that the Conservatives need a majority to get some of their crime bills passed.

They didn't even blink when MAJORITY was mentioned. They thought Dion was a weak leader, and they couldn't even force themselves to talk about Iggy. They have warned me about getting too politically involved, and I have been disappointed by my MP, but inspired by Stephen Harper. Thank goodness we have a superior leader of our country in a time of crisis.

If we are going to get tough on crime, the next brick that needs to fall is the gun registry. Gangs don't register their guns. The Liberals told us that a registry would only cost 2 million, we are at 2 BILLION and counting. We have had regulations for pistols for years, yet the gangs still somehow get those pistols, and kill people with them. Hunters kill deer and moose with their guns. Huge difference. Lefties just don't see the difference.

I shudder to link to this guy, but he has his points on this issue.

But that would really prolong the inevitable. Despite the 7.3-million firearms on file now, the vast majority hunting rifles or unmodified shotguns, the registry has become outdated and thus unreliable after three years of reporting amnesties.
Besides, it just doesn't seem to work.

While proponents point to the falling crime rate as proof it has merit, serious crime rates are falling much faster in the United States where the right to bear arms is constitutionally guaranteed.



Give a girl a gun, and they can walk safely to their car at night. What do the lefties tell us girls? Yell fire! Why fire? It has been proven that people will not get involved if the girl yells rape. I prefer my bear spray, because our laws will not allow me to carry a gun. Bear spray is perfectly legal for anyone to carry...so far. Expect some lefty dogooder to get it BANNED. They love BANNING stuff. It's what they do best, because they can't actually DO anything, they are great at committees though. Talk is cheap and that describes lefties.

31 comments:

Bec said...

Of course we have a Majority! It occurred to me while posting at ST's site that these idiot that are terrifying the country, yapping about body bags etc. would have had us in a FULL STEAMS AHEAD election, during this vaccination crisis.
That is the deflection that they have been playing and we as a country almost bought in.
Thank GAWD for the internet and having diligent messaging to the news rooms WITH FACTS!!

I am thrilled that your parents are seeing the Liberals for what they are, opportunists.

Hinchey's Store said...

Amen, Bec, amen!

wilson said...

NO vaccine shortage in Canada,
provinces holding:

''...Some jurisdictions are doing a much better job than others at administering the vaccine but, according to statistics available from eight provinces,
**barely a third of the supply delivered by the federal government over the last three weeks had been used by the end of the weekend.

In Ontario, the health minister said on Tuesday she could accurately confirm that about 300,000 doses had been administered,
out of the 2.2 million received from federal authorities between the middle of October and last weekend, though she said the figure could be higher...''

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2180444

Jan said...

The H1N1 roll-out is a provincial responsibility. B.C., like the rest of Canada is enduring a recession. Each health care region in each province is in charge of organizing this, NOT the Federal gov't. They do not even have a system in place federally to handle this. But then when did the Liberals EVER respect provincial autonomy. We have an ongoing shortage of trained health care professionals in every province, largely due to the Liberal cutbacks in transfer payments to the provinces a number of years ago. We are suffering for it now. B.C. has and is providing pharmacists the necessary training in order to bear some of the burden within the health care system--as an R.N., I fully support this.

Anonymous said...

Hunter today: "Expect some lefty dogooder to get it BANNED. They love BANNING stuff. It's what they do best..."

Hunter yesterday: "Mystereeoso, grow up or I will remove all your comments from now on, you are why SQ and LS got BANNED as well, so maybe they can control you or they will also get BANNED again."

hunter said...

Mystereo, just doing what you lefties understand....BANNING!

wilson said...

So, to the astonishment of Martha,
those big cheques with the CPC logo,
do NOT violate guidelines.....
how many investigations did the opps initiate over this 'legal' practice?:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/todays-paper/Prop+cheques+violate+guidelines+bureaucrats/2181494/story.html

maryT said...

The more libs blame us for whatever, the more it bites them in the you know where.
Re the billions spent on the gun registry. Every accountant or business has a miscellaneous expense, or a catch all expense, where you put something you are not sure of. How much money was put off to the gun registry, when it might have gone elsewhere but had to be accounted for.
Poor libs facing by-elections in Que-GSK contract, adscam coming back, gun registry going going gone and there are still a couple of days before votes are cast.

Anonymous said...

"Mystereo, just doing what you lefties understand....BANNING!"

That is very simplistic thought Huntsy, even for you

liberal supporter said...

Mystereo, just doing what you lefties understand....BANNING!
So it's monkey see monkey do?

I won't jump off a bridge, and it would seem you are imitating me there. So far so good.

Now, I will be voting for the Liberals. Does that mean you will too hunter?

Southern Quebec said...

Hey, mary the T: How many lives has the gun registry saved? You are the tough on crime people, why do you want guns in the hands of people that shouldn't have them? The registry is used 11,000 times a day by police forces across Canada. In addition it is referenced by enforcement officers when a decision is being made for bail. Oh, and when police officers have to raid a house, they can check if they can expect weapons. Don't let the facts hit you on your a$$ on the way out.

But you don't have to worry about guns, the Harper Regime will kill us with lack of Emergency Preparedness -- see auditor General's Report.

What a group of intellectually challenged *people*...

Anonymous said...

oops

liberal supporter said...

Oh, and when police officers have to raid a house, they can check if they can expect weapons.
More importantly, the registry will tell them there should *not* be any weapons at a house. That makes their life easier, since anyone found with a firearm clearly has no legal business having one there, and so there is no hesitation "is this guy legit". That moment's hesitation is what gets police officers shot.

If we repeal the long gun registry, let's repeal the handgun registry for the same reason. We might as well repeal the car registry too, since not one life has been saved by registering cars.

Instead, we should be looking at why the gun registry cost so much. It seems to be a general non-partisan issue, we have the federal and provincial electronic health records fiascos. If you believe we should scrap the registry due to the cost overruns, you would have to support discontinuing all electronic health records due to the cost overruns as well.

Even though the electronic health records would have allowed the orderly rollout of H1N1 to the high risk people first with no queue jumping.

Southern Quebec said...

"Thank goodness we have a superior leader of our country in a time of crisis."

You may want to talk to Sheila Fraser about this. Canada does NOT have a National Emergency Plan. DOES NOT -- you may want to think about the repercussions of not having a plan.

Stephen Harper -- the man without the plan!

Warren said...

Southern Quebec and Lberal Supporter:

You are both wrong in your facts.

The gun registry cannot, will not, has not worked from day 1. It cost 2 billion dollars and does not work. 11,000 times? not.. Even the police say 5000 times, but what they don't tell you is that 5000 times is not really legit. EVERY single time they access their computer data-base, for any reason whatsoever, it automatically hits on the gun registry data-base, no matter if it is for parking ticket or a lost dog.

As for being effective, answer me this: If criminals never register their guns, what use are they in fighting crime? Also, ask any street or beat cop how much 'faith' they have in the registry? They will tell you ZERO. Why? Because they know there are well-over 20 million firearms in Canada that were perfectly legal to have before the registry. I'm talking about hunting rifles and shotguns. Only 7 million were registered. So, if only about 1/3 of those firearms were actually registered by hunters, farmer and shooting-sport enthusiasts, you know, law-abiding people, then what actual 'use' does it do a policeman to check the registry when he goes to a home to investigate? Mr. Homeowner who has 5 rifles in his closet, but didn't register them, will show on the registry data base as 'not owning firearms' Constable Joe then wrongly assumes he has no danger. Ask the same cops who have ZERO faith in the registry what they are taught at the police academy? They are taught to ASSUME all homes or suspects are armed, all the time, every time. Now, doesn't that seem like a much safer way to approach the situation than to have faith in a registry that doesn't include 2/3rds of long-guns and NONE of the guns criminals have? And all for a mere 2 billion dollars?

Liberal Supporter:

"Instead, we should be looking at why the gun registry cost so much. It seems to be a general non-partisan issue......"

Are you friggin'DAFT? Non-partisan? You are kidding, right? Non-partisan? I can't believe anybody could be so stunned to think the gun registry boondoggle could be anything but a LIBERAL PARTY fiasco. They had the purse-strings, if you recall and it was their law and they get to wear it all by themselves.. or are you devoid of a memory?

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

Patrick Ross said...

"How many lives has the gun registry saved?"

Demonstrably? None.

Moreover, we can even acquaint you with some cases where the Gun Registry didn't save any lives.

Patrick Ross said...

"More importantly, the registry will tell them there should *not* be any weapons at a house."

Which, naturally, could provide them with a false sense of security in the case that they're entering a home with an unregistered firearm present.

"We don't need to take any precautions here. The registry says no guns are present."

That could add up to be a massive "oops" on any number of occasions.

liberal supporter said...

(two parts, I hit the blogger 4096 character limit)

As for being effective, answer me this: If criminals never register their guns, what use are they in fighting crime?
So that would mean you support repealing the handgun registry established in 1934. Correct? Your reasoning should apply equally well.


Also, ask any street or beat cop how much 'faith' they have in the registry? They will tell you ZERO. Why?
Police chiefs support it. They were all street cops once. Therefore your claim that "any" street cop doesn't like it is false.


Because they know there are well-over 20 million firearms in Canada that were perfectly legal to have before the registry. I'm talking about hunting rifles and shotguns. Only 7 million were registered. So, if only about 1/3 of those firearms were actually registered by hunters, farmer and shooting-sport enthusiasts, you know, law-abiding people, then what actual 'use' does it do a policeman to check the registry when he goes to a home to investigate?
They are not law abiding if they did not register their firearms. They are lawbreakers or at best scofflaws.

Mr. Homeowner who has 5 rifles in his closet, but didn't register them, will show on the registry data base as 'not owning firearms' Constable Joe then wrongly assumes he has no danger.
That is a silly assumption, and no competent officer would make it. However, 'not owning firearms' means they do not need to hesitate before firing on anyone with a firearm if need be. They don't have to worry about the optics of killing a law abiding homeowner in his own home. They need only worry about their own safety. A firearm in a 'not owning firearms' home is by definition illegal, and any fool who owns unregistered weapons may get what he deserves.

Ask the same cops who have ZERO faith in the registry what they are taught at the police academy? They are taught to ASSUME all homes or suspects are armed, all the time, every time. Now, doesn't that seem like a much safer way to approach the situation than to have faith in a registry that doesn't include 2/3rds of long-guns and NONE of the guns criminals have?
They still have to make sure they don't kill someone who hasn't done anything. If the registry tells them there are legal firearms present, they have to worry about shooting the legal owner. They have to hesitate then. That gets officers killed.

And all for a mere 2 billion dollars?
The price is a separate issue. They got ripped off, just like the electronic health records fiasco, both provincially under Liberals and PCs before them, and federally, under the CPC and Liberals before them.

By your logic we should give up on trying to have electronic health records, since some crooks fleeced the government.

liberal supporter said...

"Instead, we should be looking at why the gun registry cost so much. It seems to be a general non-partisan issue......"

Are you friggin'DAFT? Non-partisan? You are kidding, right? Non-partisan
?
I hope you are not one of those illegal gun owners with unregistered weapons who still thinks they are law abiding. I'd hate to see you going off half cocked, as you just did here. I was pointing out that cost overruns are a general problem, i.e. a non-partisan one. For example, electronic health records botched under the PCs then botched under the Liberals in Ontario, and botched under the Liberals then botched under the CPC in Ottawa.

I can't believe anybody could be so stunned to think the gun registry boondoggle could be anything but a LIBERAL PARTY fiasco. They had the purse-strings, if you recall and it was their law and they get to wear it all by themselves.. or are you devoid of a memory?
You seem to be devoid of reading skills.

But these points remain unrefuted:
1) if cost overrun is the reason to cancel the registry, then cost overrun is a reason to scrap any plans for electronic health records.
2) if ineffectiveness is the reason to cancel the long gun registry, then for the same reason the handgun registry should be canceled.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
You forgot to mention irrational fear of inanimate objects in your attempt to create a straw man to knock down.
How about this bumper sticker slogan:
"People with guns kill more people than people without guns."

liberal supporter said...

"We don't need to take any precautions here. The registry says no guns are present."

No, they don't do that. More like this:

"We don't need to take precautions to avoid killing the homeowner here. We should not see any firearms here. If we do, we can shoot to kill in self defense, since the only firearms here are illegal ones, and whoever is holding one is automatically a criminal. It won't be like tasering someone by mistake, it will be completely understandable if we end up killing somebody"

hunter said...

Good Job Patrick! I love the YouTube video.

maryT said...

Bill to abolish the registry passes. How many long guns were used in the recent murders in Toronto.
How many of those murder weapons were registered.
We had rifles in our home on the farm for over 40 years. Won lots of turkeys at the yearly turkey shoots.
Bought a target gun, for the kids, after they went to the shooting range for a year. They won many medals in the summer games. Also shot a few skunks and rabbits.
Don't have a gun in our home now.

liberal supporter said...

Bill to abolish the registry passes.
Just the long gun registry or the hand gun registry too?

maryT said...

The main reason libs are against abolishing the gun registry, is,
if the ever get back at the trough, they will re implement the fees and who knows where the money will go.

liberal supporter said...

The main reason libs are against abolishing the gun registry, is,
if the ever get back at the trough, they will re implement the fees and who knows where the money will go
.
What a bunch of baloney. If the problem is keeping the fees from the evil Liberals, then you should support abolishing the handgun registry too. The RCMP estimates a saving of only $3 million from abolishing the long gun registry. Hint: It's the same system, so as long as you register some guns, you have the expenses.

So, do you or do you not support abolishing the hand gun registry?

Gayle said...

"Also, ask any street or beat cop how much 'faith' they have in the registry? They will tell you ZERO."

Prove it.

hunter said...

Ha, poor Gayle. Hope you are feeling better.

hunter said...

Only yesterday Gayle was spouting her opinion:

Blogger Gayle said...

"...go ahead, declare yourself the winner of the discussion, like you usually do."

"Winner"? No. I don't see reasonable debate as winning and losing.

I see it as me being correct - which I am.

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17:00 PM


Today she wants proof. Typical Liberal, always right because they know better than us lowly rednecked Conservatives.

Keep it up Gayle, you let all my readers understand how out of touch with Canadians the Liberals really are.

Patrick Ross said...

"We don't need to take precautions to avoid killing the homeowner here. We should not see any firearms here. If we do, we can shoot to kill in self defense, since the only firearms here are illegal ones, and whoever is holding one is automatically a criminal. It won't be like tasering someone by mistake, it will be completely understandable if we end up killing somebody"

Still naive as ever.

It's much more likely to be like this:

"Oh, shit. There's an unregistered weapon involved in this domestic dispute, and this perpetrator has the drop on us because we didn't bother to do something more effective than check the registry -- like search for gun licenses registered to this address."

Or:

"Aw, fuck. Who knew the guy involved in this domestic dispute was a meth dealer with an unlicensed and unregistered glock smuggled over the border from Michigan?"

Either way, that's an "Officer down".

Warren said...

"Prove it."

Gayle: Why don't you just pop into your local Tim Hortons and ask ANY policeman in there what he thinks. You can prove it yourself.

Ask him this exact question:

Do you support the abolishment of the gun registry?

After he tells you YES!

Then ask him if he thinks he is safer entering a home or other place to arrest or question someone after he checks the database for known weapons?

Guess what he will say?
NO!

Then ask yourself if wasting 2 billion dollars on a registry that the police on the street don't trust or care enough to support.

"But the police chiefs support it", say some... so what?

The cops on the street are the ones who have to use it and 'trust it'.. and they have zero use for it. That alone should tell you something.


Liberal supporter:

"do you support the elimination of the handgun registry?"

For the exact same reason as the long gun registry, it doesn't work, so you can take my answer as a resounding yes.

Licence the owners not the pieces of metal. Throw those that commit crimes with handguns in jail for a VERY long time.

Trappers, prospectors, timber-cruisers and target shooters are not the people we need to be harassing. Criminals and thugs are who we need to be going after.

A paper-heavy registry does not keep guns out of the hands of criminals.. why is that so hard for you folks to understand?

It doesn't work. It has never worked. Not in 1934 and certainly not in 2009.

Time to focus your efforts on the people who cause violence and crime. Lock them up

Warren said...

watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA&NR=1