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Conservative bully-boys put the boots to Colvin over his Afghanistan bombshell
If you believe Stephen Harper's bully boys putting the boots to Colvin this past week, the former top political attache in Afghanistan and now deputy intelligence chief in Washington has no credibility. Who's telling the truth? You be the judge.
In April 2006, Colvin began a 17-month posting in Afghanistan as political director and deputy ambassador, one of only two officials there with access to the Canadian government's hyper-secure "C4" communications network.
So, Colvin began a 17 month posting in April of 2006. The Conservatives won the election in January. The Liberals signed the original prisoner agreement, they are the ones responsible for the prisoner transfer rules. Is Colvin telling us the Liberals did nothing about the prisoners? Weston doesn't mention the Liberals and their Taliban prisoners. Funny that. Weston is a sad little supposed reporter, not of the news, but of Liberal issues that need propping up.
More likely, the Harper government was just trying to cover up the whole thing -- sacrificing Canadian lives to bring torture to Afghanistan isn't exactly the stuff to inspire public support. Indeed, Colvin claims various superiors in Ottawa tried to get him to drop the detainee issue, but he persisted.
You sad little Liberal toady.... Sacrificing Canadian lives? It was Chretien who sent our troops into battle in green fatigues. It was the Liberals who set up the transfer arrangement. It was Liberals who refused to fund our military so that they could only die for our country.
A month after he arrived, Colvin issued his first of several dozen reports detailing concerns about Canadian forces turning over Afghan prisoners to "serious, imminent and alarming" abuse at the hands of local authorities.
Colvin reported his sources were "highly credible," adding he also "obtained first-hand reports of torture and personally saw evidence of injuries related to torture suffered by detainees."
Did Colvin, personally ever go to an Afghan jail to verify his claims? Did Colvin ever personally see an Afghan prisoner tortured? Did Colvin ever talk directly to Hillier? Did Colvin ever directly talk to Minister O'Conner? Did Colvin ever talk to the tooth fairy when he was younger?
Of course, it is possible the bureaucrats kept the potentially explosive detainee issue to themselves to give their political masters "plausible deniability" if it blew up.
More likely, the Harper government was just trying to cover up the whole thing -- sacrificing Canadian lives to bring torture to Afghanistan isn't exactly the stuff to inspire public support. Indeed, Colvin claims various superiors in Ottawa tried to get him to drop the detainee issue, but he persisted.
Let's see, the bureaucrats had been hired by the Liberals. Remember that the Conservatives only won government in January of 2006, this is April, only 4 months later. Weston spews about "plausible deniability". How about the bureaucrats wanting to make the Conservative government look bad. We all know that the foreign affairs department resents any restraints on their power. Colvin is a bureaucrat.
Canada's then top general Rick Hillier wrote in his recently released book that "we lost confidence that basic, reasonable measures were in place to ensure the humane treatment of prisoners."
Hillier bluntly rejects claims by Harper's officials that the PM was kept in the dark on the issue. Even to this day, despite Colvin's 17 months of memos, Harper and his ministers continue to plead ignorance.
I wonder if Weston can be called on his article. Given our freedom of speech laws, I suspect he can spew anything he wants to, but the fun thing is that I can spew as much as he does. He might have a bigger audience, but my audience is dedicated to our cause. Yikes that sounds NDP'ish.
Weston loses all credibility when he labels Conservatives "Bully Boys". He is a typical name calling Liberal, just like all my trolls. Too bad he isn't an unbiased journalist, most blogger are better than he is.
26 comments:
From December 2005, Jan and Feb 2006,
Liberals were still running the govt, including the detainee handovers. The Harper govt was sworn in Feb 2006.
Liberals better be careful what they ask for here.
Correctional Services Canada were in Afghanistan starting 2003,
perhaps some smart ass journalist can get some access to information documents about the prisoners treatment from them.
All NATO countries handed over to the same Afghan authorites,
and only Canada is on the hot seat.
That sounds like an 'agenda' to me.
Good to see ALL the Blogging Tories have their morning Talking Points...
GOODMORNING SHILSON!!!
Hey SQ....at least we HAVE talking points!
Must be so sad to be a Liberal these days - you guys keep trying to find things to smear the Tories with and it comes back to bite you in the a$$ big time by showing that your party had their hand in the smear to start with.
Funny that!
Huntsy: "I wonder if Weston can be called on his article. Given our freedom of speech laws, I suspect he can spew anything he wants to, but THE FUN THING IS THAT I CAN SPEW AS MUCH AS HE DOES. He might have a bigger audience, BUT MY AUDIENCE IS DEDICATED TO OUR CAUSE."
Way to get to the heart of the matter Huntsy you just confirmed your awareness you are a ridiculous propagandist. Why ridiculous? Because your audience, as evidenced by the amount of dissenting opinion that appears whenever you actually leave the comments open is at least 50% completetely opposed to your "cause". What's your cause again? Sanctioning torture? Denying science? Hating culture? Curtailing women's rights? Give everyone guns? Oh yeah it's free speech!
Nice one. I must commend you again. You've written a full post of abject tripe that never once alludes to the seriousness of Colvin's allegations. You just can't admit to the possibility, or the likelihood they may be true can you?
"MY AUDIENCE IS DEDICATED TO OUR CAUSE."
Good on ya! HA!
Just as the sun rises in the sky every day, the lefty sissies that troll here are quick out of the gate, blubbering thier trademark "not fair" and "talking point" pap.
Love the way a lefty such as mystery meat has to throw in such gems as "guns", "womens's rights", and of course, "climate".
Typical lefties. Pretentious bunch of self-absorbed jerks who have the convoluted notion that if we all supported a 'free Tibet', drove a Prius and said 'pretty please' to the thugs of the world, we'd all acheive a higher level of 'global consciousness' (TM).
I'd prefer that limp-wristed cowards like SQ, Gayle and mysterymeat would just keep thier socialist dogma to themselves.
1. Conservatives keep talking about the fact the LPC signed the prison transfer agreement, but that is not the issue. The issue is that the Harper government was told that prisoners being transferred were being tortured and they did nothing about it.
If you have some evidence the Liberal government was told prisoners were being tortured and did nothing about it then you would have a point, but as it stands, you have none.
2. Sending Canadian soldiers to fight a war in Afghanistan is sacrificing Canadian lives, right? Weston's point was not that Canadian lives are being sacrificed, since that is obvious to anyone who understands what happens in a war, but rather that it appears they are being sacrificed in order to allow the torture of prisoners, some of them possibly innocent farmers.
Sure his comment was provoking, probably deliberately so, but he was not blaming Harper for the fact Canadian lives are being sacrificed. He is blaming Harper for allowing them to be sacrificed while at the same time turning a blind eye to war crimes being committed by the people we are supposedly there to help.
3. I get that as a devout conservative you are going to believe each and every word this government says, but do try to understand that most people in this country are not as devoted as you. Most people need something more than Peter MacKay's say so before they will accept Colvin is a liar, especially when there is so much evidence out there that the CPC knew about the torture and did nothing about it. Actual, independent objective evidence.
This is the real world Hunter.
It is pathetic that the Liberal stooges refuse to write their LPOC talking points on their own blogs. They visit the CPC blogs are parrot their MSM liberal toadies talking points demanding answers from CPC bloggers.
FACTS:
Minority Parliament.
1) LPOC are in the HOC and can remove their confidence at ANY TIME. (Chicken little liberals)
2) LPOC are complicit and have been the CPC cheerleaders by voting 100% in favour of EVERYTHING from the CPC for over 80 votes.
So if you have any problems with 2006- Present contact the stooges at LPOC who keep voting for every CPC Bill.
The General Elections in 2006, 2008 reject the LPOC. They are polling the worst in over 100 years.
The only point is this issue was raised in 2007 and dealt in the HOC already.
Now the Liberals failed at the last 20 fake scandals this another attempt to distract Canadians from important matters.
Drive by smears by the clown car brigade.
What the Ccons are objecting to are the SOURCES of these allegations and supporting supposed EVIDENCE. I never saw it as a slight on Mr. Colvin's testimony...only that HIS sources, that he based is allegations on were unreliable. Also, wilson's comment on the other Nato countries handing over their prisoners to the same autorities is very true. Something smells here people.
"Gayle said
This is the real world Hunter.
Monday, November 23, 2009 8:19:00 AM"
How many folks would donate money to the most corrupt political party in this country's history just because they hate Harper?
Not many living in the real world I would guess.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder"
"Love the way a lefty such as mystery meat has to throw in such gems as "guns", "womens's rights", and of course, "climate"."
Don't you just love it though Eskimo? I really love it because they're all Huntsy's gems taken from her lengthy archive of "posts". So I'm happy you love the way a "lefty" such as myself just HAS to toss in the gems - the credit goes to Huntsy. They are all hers.
Re: "I'd prefer that limp-wristed cowards like SQ, Gayle and mysterymeat would just keep their socialist dogma to themselves."
Eskimo, I seem to recall you would also prefer gay people stop wearing birkenstocks. I didn't post "socialist dogma" here. Nor did SQ or Gayle.
Hunsty did though:
"I wonder if Weston can be called on his article. Given our freedom of speech laws, I suspect he can spew anything he wants to, but the fun thing is that I can spew as much as he does. He might have a bigger audience, but my audience is dedicated to our cause."
I know it's awkward to have someone you hold in such low esteem point this type of thing out to you, but, you really should read what people write.
Huntsy posted reformbot dogma of course. Not socialist dogma. Apologies to all.
And it's no less amazing to see, that like Hunter, Eskimo doesn't even twig on the ethics of the issue and the question. Could it be that our government was complicit in the torture of detainees? Further that they concealed it from us, the citizens of Canada? Is that an ok thing? Does it support our troops as they fight insurgencies? Fight for democracy? There's a shocking absence of reflection on any of this in the chit chat over here today. It's profoundly embarrassing actually.
Has the Stephen Harper CPC Government EVER done ANYTHING wrong?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Mystereeoso - none of their comments deal with the issue. CS is whining about why the progressives don't just retreat to their own blogs and leave the conservatives alone. Eskimo and Boconuts launch into personal attacks.
It is to laugh. And I laugh at them - a lot.
Gayle as a member of the clown car brigade making demands proves you are delusional.
1)Blogging Tories don't control the government.
2)The opposition clearly are too chicken to remove confidence in the CPC and face the voter.
3)Create your own blog and bark at the moon about how unfair life is, whine, cry, suck your thumbs!
Demanding other people hold your delusional "views" is pathetic.
Your clearly can't accept your influence or posting is falling on deaf ears.
Give your NDP MP Duncan a call she stood up unlike many NDP,Lib MP's who refuse to go down with the ship.
1)Blogging Tories don't control the government.
Of course not. They are simply the CPC's propaganda organization.
2)The opposition clearly are too chicken to remove confidence in the CPC and face the voter.
The Liberals no longer support the government. The normal situation in minority governments, where the two main parties are opposed to each other, has been restored.
3)Create your own blog and bark at the moon about how unfair life is, whine, cry, suck your thumbs!
I see you've taken your own advice.
Demanding other people hold your delusional "views" is pathetic.
Could it be? A BT with actual self awareness? Does CanadianSense actually understand he is talking about himself? Nah.
Your clearly can't accept your influence or posting is falling on deaf ears.
So how did you formulate your words, grammatically incorrect as they are, based on what your "deaf ears" are supposedly NOT hearing? Sounds like just another example of BT "logic".
Give your NDP MP Duncan a call she stood up unlike many NDP,Lib MP's who refuse to go down with the ship.
Whatever that means, I'm not from AB. I wonder if Duncan is Gayle's MP in the first place?
liberal supporter demostrates why the Liberals are at 23% and heading to 20%.
1)Grammar Police
2)Whines people have their own views.
3)Whines BT has people who host, share their own views.
Flanagan, Perschilli are correct the LPOC.
Libs have become wimps and can't stand up and remove their confidence because they are terrified of the voters.
When was the LAST time a Liberal stood up and said anything important in the HOC?
Balance restored?
The LPOC? Too funny.
When was the official opposition not a joke of whiny MP's chasing wafers, bodybags, H1N1, logos, signs?
liberal supporter demostrates why the Liberals are at 23% and heading to 20%.
Your assertions do not make that so. Sorry to disappoint.
1)Grammar Police.
You are the one who can't put together a coherent thought. This isn't kindergarten where everyone wins at everything.
2)Whines people have their own views.
I am responding to your whining. You won't get too angry and call me more names if I point out the missing word "at", will you?
3)Whines BT has people who host, share their own views.
Somehow dissent is not desired. Typical far right. And another missing "at". Proceed to whine about grammar police some more.
Flanagan, Perschilli are correct the LPOC.
Libs have become wimps and can't stand up and remove their confidence because they are terrified of the voters.
If they say so, it must be so. And of course if "CanadianSense" says so, it is settled fact. Except the Liberals said they won't support the government. Steve will just have to engineer his own defeat.
When was the LAST time a Liberal stood up and said anything important in the HOC?
Today.
Balance restored?
I was referring to the fact that historically, when we have a minority government, the two main parties are opposing each other and the governing party needs support from one or more smaller parties.
The LPOC? Too funny.
I see you have run out of points, and are now resorting to smirking. Are you in Cabinet?
When was the official opposition not a joke of whiny MP's chasing wafers, bodybags, H1N1, logos, signs?
You do love that word "whine". Could it be because this is what you do a lot?
Naturally in the midst of all your sniggering, you didn't mention the Opposition asking a very simple question: Who know about the prisoner torture, when did they know, and what did they do about it? But I'm sure you'll carry on with your silliness, hoping people will watch the sideshow, instead of daring to hold the government accountable.
" Gayle said... Eskimo and Boconuts launch into personal attacks.
It is to laugh. And I laugh at them - a lot.
Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47:00 PM"
It's fine for Gayle to post smarmy,condescending
"This is the real world Hunter"
type comments but if anyone ever repeats the anti-Harper driven drivel she spews it's personal.
Tell us your heart -warming family story posted on another blog ,you know, the one where you claimed your Mother gave up her life-long conservative party support becauase she now believes that your Dad's cancer was caused by Harper.
Only a delusional slug would toss sick loved ones under the bus and could use family tragedy to score a few cheap political points.
Look in the mirror and laugh away.
LS - don't waste your time trying to reason with CS. Seriously. There is no point.
Boconuts - can you please link to the time when I claimed Harper caused cancer?
Thanks
carry on
" Gayle said...
Boconuts - can you please link to the time when I claimed Harper caused cancer?
Thanks
Monday, November 23, 2009 6:56:00 PM"
Gayle you claimed that your mother left the Conservative party because she believed that Harper was responsible for your father's cancer.
You didn't have the guts to lay claim to such a such a ridiculous statement,instead you "quoted"your poor grief stricken mother to look like the delusional fool so you could score some cheap political points and reaffirm your obsessive hatred of all things Harper.
That's not a link, bocanut. That is an assertion, just like your earlier one.
So tell me bocanut, has the Harper regime EVER done ANYTHING wrong?
EAP was too big and too fast, GM bailout was too big and too fast.
Friggan Liberals like the NDP won't stop spending the taxpayers money.
They cry about $ 150 million on signs and tv adverstising but how many BILLIONS went through EAP and Autobailout?
Lousy opposition.
I guess the Liblogs are so boring and bereft of ideas that the trolls come here to feel at home and get some good discussion.
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