Now Liberals are trying to out special interest group the Conservatives.
Tory MP apologizes for erroneous flyer
Good for him, but has the Toronto Liberal Star mentioned any of these Liberal 10 percenters that need to be apologized for? The Liberal 10 percenters are way more offensive than anything the Conservatives have done, but you won't hear that from the lame stream media.
More here.
So the latest is all about those prisoners being turned over to Afghanistan jails and maybe being tortured. (Didn't we do this like 2 years ago?) The lefties really think they are on to something here, but as per usual, they have no clue what the Timmies crowd is thinking. Most of us are thinking....who really cares?
Here is an interesting insight into the opposition. They are shouting about Colvin (a bureaucrat), and torture...not even alleged torture, but they refuse to listen to an Ambassador.
NDP, Libs, BQ say no Mulroney testimony on Afghan detainees without documents
After hearing his "professionalism" questioned by former subordinate Richard Colvin last week, David Mulroney sent a letter to the House of Commons Special Committee on the Mission in Afghanistan offering to testify to "set the record straight." That's no light offer from Mulroney as his current job is Ambassador to China. Mulroney, in fact, was en route, my sources tell me, from Beijing to Ottawa late Monday night in expectation that he would get a chance to testify on Thursday.
Not so fast.
Opposition MPs tabled a notice of motion late tonight that will get voted on when the Committee meets Wednesday (a meeting at which they'll hear testimony from Gen. Rick Hillier and others). The motion is from NDP MP Paul Dewar but I'm told the Liberals were ready to table one that was mighty similar and, basically, it tells the government that Mulroney ain't testifying until the committee gets a pile of documents that they've been asking for for ages.
So, it's NOT about torture, it's all about political jockeying. The opposition MP's are showing their agenda, they only want to listen to people supporting lefties. They do not care about the truth, the truth is inconvenient, just like the fact that global warming is not occurring.
I find their behaviour despicable. It just makes the Timmies crowd mad, and more intent on electing a Conservative majority next election. These juvenile games must stop, and the only way to stop them is with a Conservative majority. Majority is not a bad word anymore, and if Quebec doesn't understand what side their bread is buttered on, too bad.
Liberalism, an idea gone bad. Send the lefties a message. They are the dinosaurs not the Conservatives.
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Huntsy gets herself a moral compass:
"So the latest is all about those prisoners being turned over to Afghanistan jails and maybe being tortured. (Didn't we do this like 2 years ago?) The lefties really think they are on to something here, but as per usual, they have no clue what the Timmies crowd is thinking. Most of us are thinking....who really cares?"
The Timmies crowd? What is that, like high school?
"Here is an interesting insight into the opposition. They are shouting about Colvin (a bureaucrat), and torture...not even alleged torture, but they refuse to listen to an Ambassador."
I think you "insight "is quite interesting Huntsy but not in the way you might think. Your distinction between the merits of the different player's testimony is false, as is your characterization of what the opposition is asking for. Colvin and the "Ambassador" are BOTH diplomats. Ever heard of diplomacy? It's kind of a cool thing, I'm surprised you're not more into it. Anywhooo... where are those documents (documents? what documents?) the opposition has had on request for ages? Why are they being witheld?
Yes Hunter. The opposition are not saying they do not want to hear from Mulroney. They are saying that in order for his appearance before the committee to be effective they need copies of the documents Colvin provided Mulroney and others before they question Mulroney.
For some reason the government does not want the committee to have those documents. It is almost as if they are afraid that providing those documents might back up Colvin's evidence.
If they don't, there is no reason to withhold them, right?
Meanwhile, a former candidate for the CPC (and well known whistle-blower) was on the news last night slamming the CPC government for failing ot live up to its promise to protect whistle blowers.
What evidence has Colvin presented other than hearsay. And, really, how many Canadians really care if men have been captured, that were trying to kill our troops, were supposedly treated badly. It was afghans who may have done it. Would those Canadians that care be happy if afghan citizens started to complain about our justice system or complain that prisoners in our jails shouldn't be there.
I bet that if Mulroney is not allowed to testify, he will be all over the media telling the truth. His story will get out there and liberals will end up looking like fools.
"And, really, how many Canadians really care if men have been captured, that were trying to kill our troops, were supposedly treated badly."
maryT...setting the bar on the floor.
It may come as a surprise Mary, that most Canadians do care if our military is torturing or being the enablers to torture. Most people have a soul and really find this reprehensible. Oh...not all the people tortured were Taliban...they were just farmers picked up in a sweep. Don't let the facts hit you on your butt on the way out!
Sheesh...do "you people" even think anymore?
Of all the countries involved in Afghanistan,only the Canadian troops are being accused for enabling torture by their country's political opposition parties.
These 2 year and older accusations from politicians desperately trying to pin anything on the Conservative party using our brave troops are signs of a morally bankrupt opposition.
Actually, they are being accused by a high level diplomat.
Hey, MarTy Re "I bet that if Mulroney is not allowed to testify, he will be all over the media telling the truth. His story will get out there and liberals will end up looking like fools."
Who looks like a fool? Since when does a potential witness set the agenda for a National Inquiry?
That's probably too abstract a question for you.
Re: "And, really, how many Canadians really care if men have been captured, that were trying to kill our troops, were supposedly treated badly."
That's a rhetorical question right?
Bar rolls into quagmire, sinks, never to be retrieved.
"These 2 year and older accusations from politicians desperately trying to pin anything on the Conservative party using our brave troops are signs of a morally bankrupt opposition."
Hang on tight there Bocanut. And keep on the look out for "signs of moral bankruptcy".
" Gayle said...
Actually, they are being accused by a high level diplomat.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:19:00 AM"
Actually,opposition politicians are using the 2 year and older allegations of enabling torture by Canadian troops for their own ambitions.
Just think of how many roadside bombs those prisoners have not been able to plant.
Why is no one complaining about the way afghans treat afghans. And who set the original policy, who sent our troops over there. How many prisoners have our troops turned over to the afghans. Are we to believe that only those captured by canadians have been mistreated. What do they do, give them bracelets saying, captured by cdns, can be tortured.
And has anyone read any manual from the taliban where it states, if captured claim torture. This so called high diplomat has no first hand evidence to present. Just hearsay. He has not interviewed anyone, or taken pictures of so called torture.
Until I see these pictures of huge scars on backs, broken bones, pulled out fingernails, these guys have not been tortured aka our troops and others during WW11. Show me pics of said prisoners showing nothing but skin and bones, sunken eyes and faces.
Funny how Awar never allowed himself to be questioned or examined by specialists.
This is another faux scandal that will not sink PMSH, but will hurt the liberals big time.
Liberal mantra, if at first we don't succeed try and try again, maybe some day we will find a real scandal.
I see. So when we have a liberal government, and during a committee hearing a witness testfies the liberals ignored him when he said they were being defrauded by some private company to the tune of millions of tax dollars, the opposition CPC should ignore that because to pursue an allegation the liberal government lied and covered something up is really just an attempt to pursue their own political ambitions.
Good to know.
Mary. Stop pretending. You are NEVER going to believe the CPC covered up allegations of torture. They have carte blanche with people like you.
It is the rest of the country - the ones who do not worship at the altar of Harper who they have to be worried about.
Why should I believe lies spread by liberals and the media.
If the so called mistreatment of prisoners was so important to Canadians, why has no pollster asked the question.
Considering the great support shown on Nov 11, for our troops, past and present, and how the liberals have never supported our troops, I think most canadians agree with me, not liberals.
Why should I believe lies spread by liberals and the media.
Faulty premise, but pretend it is true, then it is because your lies are worse and more reprehensible.
If the so called mistreatment of prisoners was so important to Canadians, why has no pollster asked the question.
They don't poll about things most people agree on. There was no poll recently on whether we should respect any kind of human rights either. What a silly premise.
Considering the great support shown on Nov 11, for our troops, past and present,
Irrelevant attempt at channel changing. I was at the Cenotaph. My MP was not.
and how the liberals have never supported our troops,
Liar.
I think most canadians agree with me, not liberals.
That's not a lie, because you probably really believe that. But it is untrue, despite your delusions of grandeur.
Where was you MP on Nov 11, perhaps at another ceremony.
Liberals have not been friends of our military, going back as far as forcing all to wear the same uniform.
If they cared, they would have known sending troops in green uniforms was very dangerous. Too many examples of non interest in our military to list.
If there is a cover up, it is by the liberals for what happened pre the election of PMSH.
http://alexgtsakumis.com/2009/11/24/liberals-continue-to-sink-like-the-temperature-of-the-rideau/
" Gayle said...
It is the rest of the country - the ones who do not worship at the altar of Harper who they have to be worried about.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:14:00 AM"
Like the ones who are donating money to the Liberal Party?
Re: "If there is a cover up, it is by the liberals for what happened pre the election of PMSH."
If Canadians and "The Timmies Crowd" don't care about this issue as you, MarTy and Huntsy have laid claim in this thread, why are you moaning and going on about green uniforms and Taliban manuals? If Canadians don't care about this why would the Liberals have anything more to cover up than PMSH and his rotund gang?
You know MarTY we could have saved our nation a lot of money and just kept the troops at home, since we don't care about global citizenship or diplomacy as you suggest, why haven't the troops come home sooner?
"Where was you MP on Nov 11, perhaps at another ceremony."
Nov 11 is a photo op for MP's. They get to send it to the rubes like you maryT, who go on and on ad nauseum about how patriotic they are. Wrap yourself in the flag, wear green on Thursdays and do all sorts of things to prove how patriotic they are -- except join the army!
Green has been banned from my house, except for broccali and vegetables.
I enjoy turning my furnace up to 75 in the winter, and around 70 in the summer. I love to get into a warm car. And, as more and more evidence comes out that global warming and carbon credits is nothing but a scam to get our money and make Mo and others rich, it will disappear from our agenda. We do care about out troops and afghanistan, but really do not worry about mistreatment of those that tried to kill our troops.
In order to protect his families oil interests, Chretain stayed out of Iraq and sent our men and women to afghanistan with little warning and no preparation.
"In order to protect his families oil interests, Chretain stayed out of Iraq and sent our men and women to afghanistan with little warning and no preparation."
WTF are you on?????
Timmies hot chocolate with whipped topping.
Haven't you heard of the Demaris contracts with Saddam. And see when JC decided to sent out troops, without approval of the HofC.
What are you on.
Blogger Gayle said...
Actually, they are being accused by a high level diplomat.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:19:00 AM
And the opposition REFUSES to allow the Ambassador he accused to testify? Because of some documents? Let him testify. Nope the opposition have him as guilty until proved innocent. Why didn't the opposition refuse to here Colvin unless he brought documentation?
The hypocrisy of the opposition stinks to high heaven.
I just read who this guys lawyer is, I wonder if it is the same Lori that was a member of the HRC. And, I read that the govt will not pay his legal fees.
This faux scandal will bite the libs in the you know where. Especially if it defeats the govt and we go to an election. How many seats will iffy lose this time. 70 seats in the last three elections, they haven't many more to lose and still be leaders of the opposition
And the opposition REFUSES to allow the Ambassador he accused to testify?
He is free to speak to the media if he wishes. But they'd like to see the documents too, and not just listen to assertions.
Because of some documents? Let him testify.
If he's lied about receiving said documents, or pretends they said something else, what is the point of his testimony? He can fabricate just as the CPC now is doing. Plus, Peter MacKay promised to provide said documents, but hasn't. What is he hiding?
I'm sure Richard Nixon would have preferred to keep the tapes sealed, he would have testified and there would be no case.
Nope the opposition have him as guilty until proved innocent.
No, that's not it at all, and you know it. If the government did nothing wrong, where's the problem in providing the promised documents?
Why didn't the opposition refuse to here Colvin unless he brought documentation?
His documentation is mentioned in his Affidavit, but said documentation is the same documentation the committee has been asking for, which Peter MacKay promised to provide, but hasn't.
The hypocrisy of the opposition stinks to high heaven.
Not to mention the dishonesty of Harper and his ministers.
This could well be the turning point, when we finally see how totally incompetent this government really is.
"And the opposition REFUSES to allow the Ambassador he accused to testify?"
That is not true. They want him to testify. They just want the documents first.
Why is Harper hiding the documents? Why won't he let people see them?
See, the Harper government has this tendancy to play games at committees - kind of like when the committee was looking into the In and Out scandal, and Harper's boys either showed up before they were scheduled to be heard, or did not show up at all.
I believe Harper wants Mulroney to testify before any documents are produced because he knows that Mulroney can obfuscate the facts without tbeing called on that because the committee will not have access to the documents which would verify what he is saying. I will bet that Mulroney will not be available to testify after the documents are produced.
Really, Hunter, can you think of any good reason why the government will not produce the documents? MacKay has hinted they will hurt the liberals. Furthermore, if Colvin is lying about who he told and what he told them surely the documents would expose that. You would think it would be in Harper's best interests to produce them.
Gayle, catch the story at NNW today re the in and out. Seems some official at elections canada overstepped his authority re this non issue.
Liberals and trolls are desperate. Do they really want an election over this, they will do worse than Kim did.
Documentation is not hearsay. If this guy can make up stories so can the ambassador.
Liberals prefer to have our troops killed by terrorists than to keep secret documents secret.
Maybe PMSH has not released them because they show how the libs dropped the ball when they were in charge.
Oh Mary.
That story only repeats what the CPC lawyer is saying in court. As in, that is his argument, not a conclusion. What is funny about it is they now seem to be acknowledging the scheme and are arguing freedom of expression as a defence.
In any event, I have to agree with LS about the vileness of your comments. I get that you love your Harper, and you hate the liberals, but that comment was disgusting and beneath you. If anyone said something like that about Harper you know Hunter would be deleting it.
PS - I do love how you have decided the allegations were made up. In that case, you should support the release of the documents, right? I mean, you seem to think they will support Harper's innocence in all this.
But of course, deep down inside, you know perfectly well Harper could be in this up to his neck, so you create a little fantasy scenario where releasing the documents means terrorists will kill Canadians, and anything that suggests Harper is wrong is a total lie. Oh, and then the tooth fairy comes and leaves you a jillion dollars for being such a good foot soldier.
Can't handle the truth LS.
I don't support the release of the documents. I do want proof that this guy actually say what he says happened, or interviewed them. He hasn't so it is hearsay.
Hey, I don't hate liberals, just their ideas and their trolls.
I don't support the release of the documents. I do want proof that this guy actually say what he says happened, or interviewed them.
The documents contain the proof. That's why you don't want them released.
He hasn't so it is hearsay.
That's because Peter MacKay won't release the documents that he PROMISED to release.
Hey, I don't hate liberals, just their ideas and their trolls.
We already knew you were quite hateful.
Guess I should have asked Kevin Taft if he knew gayle, or asked the ex liberal mla I spent the wkend with if he/she knew her. I do know that mla's on the opposition bench in Edmonton do not approve of some of the comments the trolls leave on blogs. They are embarrassed by them.
I haven't had so much fun giving them a bad time. Just proves they believe everything they read and rush to judgement.
By attacking me they are leaving others alone.
When did I starve my grandchildren.
You have made some outrageous stmts but that is way over the top.
Looks like LS has come unhinged. Comment moderation back on, again, because lefties just can't behave themselves.
Isn't it strange that our friends of liberal iffy have nothing to say re his stmts on how he supports torture.
And, they can't deny it as he has written about it, and there are videos of him supporting torture.
Canadian troops did not and have never tortured afghan prisoners. If any of them were mistreated it was by afghans.
We are not responsible for what afghans do to their own people in jail. For all we know some of their bombs could have killed relatives of the jailers and they took revenge.
Liberals are dinosaurs? That's rich coming a group that A) Is bound and determined to keep us in the dark ages, B) Doesn't seem to care about the mounting evidence supporting Colvin's allegations, and C) Is SERIOUSLY losing its former lead.
If you want to be taken seriously by the public, try acting like adults and telling the truth.
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