Thursday, July 10, 2008

They Were For It, Before They Were Against It.

Funny how the environmentalists were the ones pushing biofuels for years. Now? Not so much. For example, the Sierra Club, back in 2007, had this to say:

The Sierra Club also strongly supports investments in biodiesel created from recurring oil-seed crops such as canola, which can be grown in Oregon as part of regular crop rotation cycles without intensive water use. However, we urge caution in promoting corn-based ethanol in Oregon. The production of ethanol from corn can create its own pollution, including carbon monoxide, methanol, toluene, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and volatile organic compounds.


That was only a year ago. In 2006, Berkeley had this to say about biofuels:

Ethanol more energy-efficient than oil, finds study
Rhett A. Butler, mongabay.com
January 26, 2006

Using ethanol -- alcohol produced from corn or other plants -- instead of gasoline is more energy-efficient than oil say researchers at the University of California, Berkeley


So, they pushed and they pushed and then when they finally get what they were screaming for, what happens?

Biofuels Deemed a Greenhouse Threat
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Published: February 8, 2008
The full emissions costs of producing biofuels are higher than those of producing of conventional fuels, scientists said.


HA! What weenies, seriously, they shout, they bleat, they shove their beliefs down our throats, they protest in polar bear suits,and then, OOPS....they don't even admit they were wrong. And who do they blame? Not themselves, no, guess who...

Earth Day Resolution: No Biofuel from Food Crops
Once again, President Bush has come down on the wrong side of an environmental issue: his misguided subsidizing of American ethanol production has helped drive up grain prices. Biofuel is a disaster-in-the-works when it comes to feeding the planet. If produced on a large scale from food crops, biofuel will keep transportation costs down for the rich, while many of the planet's poor starve.


Hello, you environmentalists have been pushing for quicker renewable solutions for at least 20 years, now that you are winning, you back off, and blame the government? This is a perfect example of how first of all, environmentalists don't think any issue through, and second, that no matter what governments try to do, it will NEVER, ever be enough, not ever, until we are sitting in caves, with no wood to burn.

Nuclear, a very effiecient energy solution,nope, it's got to be solar and wind. They will only be happy when we shut down all coal operations, and of course the oil industry.

Campaign against Climate Change
Now that name is just too funny! You econuts go ahead and "campaign against climate change", all you want, but take it up with Mother Earth would you? Good luck with your 'No New Coal' March

Climate Change Protesters Hijack Coal Train

As the driver of the EWS train radioed for advice, a second group of protesters used shovels which they had also brought with them to start emptying the gravel-like power station coal on to the track.


Nice, very eco-friendly!

And as far as the G8 goes, don't these little protesters just make you want to donate to their cause?

A group of German punk rockers lying down on the lawn at the campsite remembers that last year's protests were very different.

Militant activists threw Molotov cocktails and stones during demonstrations at the summit in Germany that drew tens of thousands of protesters from around the world.

"Demonstrations here are smaller than the German protests we saw last year," said Posti, the drummer of punk band Sprengsatz who goes by one name.


Do you see why I feel justified in calling them econuts?? It's because they do more harm than good for their own cause. Let's get back to talking about cleaning up our lakes and smog, shall we? Like adults.

19 comments:

Brian said...

It is so typical of the environmental fanatics such as Green Peace and the Sierra Club to jump on a popular "bandwagon" such as biofuels without any rational thought about the consequences.

... but hey these fanatics are usually well healed , well fed save the planet types who don't give a sh** about the poor.

The saddest part is that the CPC and Ontario Liberals are both running in front of the environmental fanatic mob , supporting and subsidizing food for fuel !!!

I have no problem with using garbage for biofuel as Edmonton is planning to do , but NOT using food for fuel !
http://www.edmontonexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1097192

jckirlan said...

Excellent post Hunter. Your writngs are improving daily and this was a wonderful find showing the hypocrisy of the communists.

Anonymous said...

Stephanne Dion's new GreenShaft plan will tax diesel but not gasoline.
Diesel produces less C02 emissions than gasoline.
But, but, I thought the whole idea behind the tax was to REDUCE C02 emissions?

Joe said...

I wish they would have taken high school math and chemistry. At least then they would have known that using ethanol for fuel is an endoyhermic reaction when you factor in all the energy inputs required to make the stuff.

Anonymous said...

Sure you can call all emvironmentalists econuts. Kindly refer to all conservatives (from reformers to red tories) as Nazis then, for balance.

wilson said...

That last anon comment reminded me of when the environutjobs spiked trees in BC to stop cutting.

Of course, when a spike in a tree meets a chainsaw....no matter to the environutjobs,
one dead lumberjack to them is worth saving a tree.
Like 4 dead sealers is nothing compared to the death of the seals.......wackos, all of them.

Anonymous said...

Of course, when a spike in a tree meets a chainsaw....no matter to the environutjobs,
one dead lumberjack to them is worth saving a tree.
Like 4 dead sealers is nothing compared to the death of the seals.......wackos, all of them.

Like the conservatards don't care about the deaths of 6 million Jews, right?

Maybe you should narrow your brush.

wilson said...

''...Like the conservatards don't care about the deaths of 6 million Jews, right?''

Dear Anon,
it was at the Liberal Party of Canada's leadership convention, by Liberal delegates, 2 years ago, that 'Jews' were verbally attacked.
Bob Rae's wife to be specific.

And it is was the Liberal MP Denis Coderre that marched with Hezbolla,
in Canada,
I'm not making this up...

I think you have your wires twisted too tight anon, that might be from communing alittle too close to nature...too many shrooms

wilson said...

Hezboliberal, another victory for freedom of speech:

http://www.westernstandard.ca/liberal/liberal.html

Anonymous said...

Sorry wilson, I just can't keep up. You must have started up the afterburners on the jet propelled goalposts.

Remember I said something along the lines of "don't paint everyone with the same brush"?

But you carry on from painting anyone who opposes your envirodestruction as terrorists, segueing into painting the Liberals as supporting terrorists.


First, at the convention which, unlike CPC functions guarded by stormtroopers, the security was limited to keeping weapons out, as opposed to requiring rectal examinations to ensure ones head is firmly stuck in there.

During this convention, one of the important functions of a free society, there were anti Semitic statements being bandied around. Maybe Catherine McMillan, a known Nazi sypathizer, was there in disguise spreading hate. It could even have been someone who inexplicably votes for the Liberals. But quite likely an infiltrator. You wouldn't know who it was would you? It seems like the work of a single agitator. Any ideas, wilson?

As for "Hezbollah Denis", just like your favourite label "Taliban Jack", the story never quite lives up to your smear. Coderre was not supporting Hezbollah. There were people there, exercising their freedom of assembly, carrying Hezbollah flags. It seems they were booing Coderre for demanding that Hezbollah disarm.

Why would you think a man demanding disarming of terrorists supports terrorists? Only in the CPC hive mind would that make sense.

Who will you try to paint with that mile wide brush next?

hunter said...

No, anon 6:10 you are the one with the broad brush, you called all Conservatives, Nazis. That is totally disgusting and shows your lack of intelligence.

You do not comment on the post, you just come to my site and paint me and my readers, heck all Conservatives, as Nazis. Do you with your small brain really know what the Nazis were all about? Do you understand how disgusting your comments are to all people, not just Conservatives?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt hoping that you are just young and stupid. If not, stay off of my site.

Anonymous said...

No, anon 6:10 you are the one with the broad brush, you called all Conservatives, Nazis. That is totally disgusting and shows your lack of intelligence.

Are you actually illiterate or just pretending? You said: "Do you see why I feel justified in calling them econuts??"

Then I said: "Sure you can call all emvironmentalists econuts. Kindly refer to all conservatives (from reformers to red tories) as Nazis then, for balance."

Do you understand that you were calling all environmentalists "econuts". I tried to point that out to you by suggesting that for balance, you should also call all conservatives "nazis". Did that go over your head? Too much nuance for you?

Do you understand that I was mocking your categorizing all environmentalists as econuts? Do you understand that I chose to mock that by suggesting another "broad brushed" categorization.

Do you understand that someone mocks you by suggesting something even more absurd than what you said, that it does not imply they support the more absurd view they used to mock you with?

Let me repeat that more clearly for you. I do not believe all conservatives are nazis. In fact I don't believe there are very many at all, if any. But I suggested you should say so, since you want to call all environmentalists "econuts".

Are we getting anywhere here? Are you getting it?

You do not comment on the post, you just come to my site and paint me and my readers, heck all Conservatives, as Nazis.
See the above. I was, in fact, commenting on your post, and calling you on the blanket characterizing of environmentalists as "econuts".

By claiming I am now calling you nazis, you are either really stupid, or your are wilfully obtuse, or just merely disingenuous.

Do you with your small brain really know what the Nazis were all about? Do you understand how disgusting your comments are to all people, not just Conservatives?
I think you are the one with the small brain if you cannot understand the point I was making.

Yes, I do have some understanding of what the nazis were about. The most frightening thing is that they had enough of a country supporting them that they were able to take power by democratic means, then give themselves dictatorial powers to fight terrorism (the Enabling Act after the Reichstag fire).

You either subscribe to the nazi racism and presume the German people are some mutant sub-human breed, or you accept the bigger concern, that the same thing could happen again, anywhere.

The nazis did many things, some which are directly as a result of their philosophy, others as a result of their blueprint for gaining and keeping power, and others which have little to do with them being nazis.

For example, the nazis breathed air. So do we. But it doesn't make anyone a nazi. More importantly, they perfected a lot of propaganda techniques that are used to this day. The massive rallies, the hyperpatriotism, and the "big lie". Part of the propaganda campaign involved demonizing political opponents and killing political opponents.

Do you see how the horrors of the results of the nazi regime cause everyone since then to be watchful of anything that might repeat it?

Do you see how someone calling for the rendering into fuel of all Liberal politicians could be seen as a nazi? It's all just a joke, isn't it, until someone gets killed.

Do you see how someone declaring an entire political movement as "econuts" is heading in this direction? Stop flirting with this. It is the place that evil takes root.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt hoping that you are just young and stupid. If not, stay off of my site.
I am not that young. I am not stupid.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt too, hoping that you are just stupid or disingenuous and not supporting the kind of evil the nazis made.

hunter said...

Anon 7:40 said "Like the conservatards don't care about the deaths of 6 million Jews, right?"

You can backtrack all you want, but that statement clearly shows us where you are coming from, and it's not pretty.

"During this convention, one of the important functions of a free society, there were anti Semitic statements being bandied around."

Well at least you admit that someone at the convention was anti-Semitic. Who was it? Well, you are a Liberal, shouldn't you be finding out and getting rid of that element from your party?

Coderre was not supporting Hezbollah. There were people there, exercising their freedom of assembly, carrying Hezbollah flags.

Oh, and Liberals supporting the Tamil Tigers? Is this an infiltrator too? So you support Hezbollah, Hamas, Tamil tigers, who else? The Talliban, who are killing our young soldiers? Your head is so far up your butt, I'm amazed you can still type.

And finally, you show us your true colours:

Do you see how someone declaring an entire political movement as "econuts" is heading in this direction? Stop flirting with this. It is the place that evil takes root.

So, it's a political movement? I thought it was all about the environment, now it seems to be political. Funny, who's flirting with evil?

Maybe you should look at the enviroweenies, and understand that they hate capitalism, just like your ever loving Nazis and Communists.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt too, hoping that you are just stupid or disingenuous and not supporting the kind of evil the nazis made.

You just can't stop mentioning those nasty nazis can you, maybe you should look in the mirror. Environuts are as close to nazis as we have seen in years. They tell us what we should believe and when we don't march in step with them, they call us "deniers", they tell us the "science is in", that they are "right" and that anyone who disagrees with them should be jailed (Suzuki, the bug guy). Fanatics, for sure, like the nazis.

wilson said...

You rock Hunter!

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:40 said "Like the conservatards don't care about the deaths of 6 million Jews, right?"

You can backtrack all you want, but that statement clearly shows us where you are coming from, and it's not pretty.


Then you truly are an idiot. Why don't you study reading comprehension?

Why did you conveniently snip out "wilson"'s comment about "emvironutjobs" killing lumberjacks and cheering dead sealers? Again implying all environmentalists approve of this? So again, I ridiculed that view by claiming all the conservatives don't care about dead Jews.

I see why wilson thinks you rock though. You do a great job of taking peoples' words out of context, in order to further your petty smears.

"Not pretty"? Please. Spare me your phony outrage. You are deliberately distorting my words every time you quote them. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are dishonest.




"During this convention, one of the important functions of a free society, there were anti Semitic statements being bandied around."

Well at least you admit that someone at the convention was anti-Semitic. Who was it? Well, you are a Liberal, shouldn't you be finding out and getting rid of that element from your party?

I wasn't at the convention, but CPC operatives were. Who benefits from this sort of thing? Your people are stupid enough to think they do, so they had the motive.

Coderre was not supporting Hezbollah. There were people there, exercising their freedom of assembly, carrying Hezbollah flags.

Oh, and Liberals supporting the Tamil Tigers? Is this an infiltrator too?

Put those goalposts back where you found them. I must presume you concede that Coderre was not supporting Hezbollah. Thank you.

So you support Hezbollah, Hamas, Tamil tigers, who else?
No. Your assertion does not make it so. Do you really think the "Liberals support terrorists" meme will actually fly? Do you really think anyone will believe you?

The Talliban, who are killing our young soldiers?
And how do you claim we are supporting the Taliban this week? Quick, check your talking points from the "agitator", fool!

Your head is so far up your butt, I'm amazed you can still type.
So much for civility.

And finally, you show us your true colours:

Do you see how someone declaring an entire political movement as "econuts" is heading in this direction? Stop flirting with this. It is the place that evil takes root.

So, it's a political movement? I thought it was all about the environment, now it seems to be political. Funny, who's flirting with evil?

Wow, a right winger moaning about "everything is political"! YOU are the ones who are "all politics all the time". We can't even discuss science in schools without your people demanding equal time for your made up stuff which can't pass scientific review. Then of course, you claim political conspiracy.

What would you call environmentalism other than a political movement? If you want people to stop throwing garbage on your lawn, you need a law in place. How do laws get passed? By the political process.

Of course you know all this. Somehow it is bad to use the political process to push for changes that affect all people. Is the political process only for the rich and the corporations to make their lives easier?

Maybe you should look at the enviroweenies, and understand that they hate capitalism, just like your ever loving Nazis and Communists.
Still can't get away from your basic meme that environmentalists are all "environuts", then "environutjobs" and now it's "enviroweenies". Can you make up your mind what you will call them please? And since you continue with "all environmentalists are environuts". should I not continue with "all conservatives are nazis"?

Is any of this getting through your head yet?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt too, hoping that you are just stupid or disingenuous and not supporting the kind of evil the nazis made.

You just can't stop mentioning those nasty nazis can you, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Or you should look in the mirror. You can't stop calling all environmentalists "environuts".

Environuts are as close to nazis as we have seen in years.
Hmm, I was comparing conservatives to nazis to ridicule your "all environmentalists are environuts" claim.

Now we see YOUR true colours. So now it's "all environmentalists are nazis". Or we'll take your backpedal "all environmentalists are almost nazis".

You do not appear to be trying to ridicule anything nor are are you trying to make a point. You are simply equating environmentalists with nazis.

So you are not doing any of the things I was doing. You are simply equating environmentalists with nazis.

Let me now repeat one of your earlier statements, since it now applies to yourself:
"Do you with your small brain really know what the Nazis were all about? Do you understand how disgusting your comments are to all people, not just Conservatives?"

Yes, that was your own words, spewing your outrage. Do you now understand you disgusting your comments are to environmentalists? I think you do, and you deliberately make them, hoping for a reaction you can use for petty political ends.

Truly disgusting, no?


They tell us what we should believe and when we don't march in step with them, they call us "deniers", they tell us the "science is in",
Oh boo hoo hoo.

It certainly doesn't sound as bad to me as being called a traitor, for suggesting talks with the enemy, something that has preceded the end of every single armed conflict in history. But no, disagree with the CPC government on anything to do with Afghanistan and you are guilty of treason. Yes, your Nazis and Communists would be proud.

that they are "right" and that anyone who disagrees with them should be jailed (Suzuki, the bug guy).
Wrong again. Nobody said disagreeing should require one to be jailed. Well, nobody except you.

"Bug guy" was pointing out that since anyone who dumps raw sewage on your lawn would be jailed, why should government leaders not be held to the same standard? You could readily attack his statement on the basis that the government actions are not amounting to polluting, therefore no crime has been committed. I would tend to agree at this time, since your political anti-environmental movement has been quite successful in maintaining a state of paralysis in getting anything done.

But you are not arguing from a "the government leaders are not guilty" point of view. Instead you are basically calling for immunity from prosecution for government leaders.

We know you think you are better than the rest of us, but no political leader should be above the law.

Fanatics, for sure, like the nazis.
Indeed.

hunter said...

Anon says: Then you truly are an idiot. Why don't you study reading comprehension?

Nice argument, I'm totally going to learn to read tomorrow.

Now we see YOUR true colours. So now it's "all environmentalists are nazis". Or we'll take your backpedal "all environmentalists are almost nazis".

You do not appear to be trying to ridicule anything nor are are you trying to make a point. You are simply equating environmentalists with nazis.


If the shoe fits...

"Bug guy" was pointing out that since anyone who dumps raw sewage on your lawn would be jailed, why should government leaders not be held to the same standard? You could readily attack his statement on the basis that the government actions are not amounting to polluting, therefore no crime has been committed. I would tend to agree at this time, since your political anti-environmental movement has been quite successful in maintaining a state of paralysis in getting anything done.

So, besides protesting, what have the econuts actually done except taking taxpayers money to fly to Bali? Name me one positive accomplishment of the econuts, one well dug, one ecohouse they have built, anything, you can't because it's not about the environment anymore it's about government funding for research.

Anonymous said...

If the shoe fits...

So let's get this clear. It's OK to call all environmentalists nazis, but not OK to call all conservatives nazis. Right?

Then be a nazi, you nazi. We always knew, thanks for admitting it.

Anonymous said...

Name me one positive accomplishment of the econuts,
I'll give you two.

No more lead in gasoline.

No more ozone destroying CFCs (thanks to the Montreal Protocol, on which Kyoto was based.


Of course you will try to claim it was someone else than "econuts" who pushed for those things, right? That would be typical for you, since the Big Lie is standard nazi technique, you nazi.

Anonymous said...

Nice argument, I'm totally going to learn to read tomorrow.
Good, it's about time. Looks like that shoe fits.